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In Reply to: RE: I guess again posted by Penguin on March 26, 2015 at 08:10:50
Penquin,
If you hear a difference that is great enough to justify the cost between various DD turntables then you know what you should buy. One of my other turntables is a VPI HW19 with an SME Series III arm, so I am sort of a VPI kind of guy. I sought out and listened to the new VPI DD too. And yes it does sound better than the SL1200 with KAB mods, or at least I think so - but honestly I wanted to hear a difference. Like so many of these situations there are enough variables to make a definitive determination problematic. Two different rooms, two different cartridges, different amps, different speakers, yada yada yada. This is our great dilemma and challenge. For me the issue was fairly easy to resolve between the VPI and the SL1200. First there is the money angle, I have about $1800 in my KAB SL1200 plus cartridge. The VPI is a bit more as you know. Second, I have taken to switching cartridges, MM compared to MC, mono, stereo and so on. The SL1200 facilitates cartridge changes. The unipivot on the VPI, well let's be charitable and just say it presents a unique set of challenges in the set up department. Third, two VPI's one for mono, one for stereo? Where is the space, plus the cost for two is getting a little out of hand. Finally, there is the personal issue of priorities. I am an old fart, have a lot of vinyl that has not been played for decades and want to listen to it again. But how much is is worth to me to do so? Well in addition to the TT, we have a phono stage to consider, +$7500 for my cj TEA2MAX, cartridges (I am up to 6 and counting) + $$$. And at the end of the day, none of this sounds as good to me, all things considered, as my digital source, a Sony HAPZ1ES loaded with FLAC files ripped from mostly Redbook discs. And yes I read the recent articles claiming FLAC files are inferior, and yes I have purchased several HiRez versions of favorite recordings, and lots audiophile vinyl - Music Direct loves me. Can I hear a difference? Really, no. This is what happens with old age, I am 67 and that is a factor, don't kid anybody, getting old sucks. Your results may vary. At the end of the day we pays our money and takes our choices. It is all just hifi after all.
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which is an SP-10 with the obsidian base and an EPA - 250 arm. I heard the SL-1200 fully modded and would not trade my table for it. I also own a JVC QL-7 and a Dual 721. I would venture that the Dual would have some advantages in sound over the SL-1200 because of the coreless motor. The JVC is getting a tubesforever bearing. It is kinda taking Tubesforever forever, but i will wait. Did i mention i also used to own an SP 25 :) was OK liked it less than the QL-7. There can be vast improvements beyond the SL-1200. It is sorta on the bottom of my list of DD tables, OK i could live with it but would not be happy with it.
I would pick the modded SL-1200 over most belt drive tables. I also own a Well Tempered Classic. I like most of my DD tables better just because the drive and stability. Point is that is if the only DD table you dealt with is the modded SL-1200 you have not been to the forest, you claim you seen it based on one tree.
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Penguin (A) on March 26, 2015 at 09:49:20
" I also own a JVC QL-7 and a Dual 721. I would venture that the Dual would have some advantages in sound over the SL-1200 because of the coreless motor."
That has been my experience. I prefer tables with coreless motor and once I'm used to the smooth texture, I cannot go back to a more coarse presentation. Whether your other tables have better dynamic range, wider bandwidth, more neutral, blah blah blah, if I don't hear the smooth texture, I won't care for it. That's just me and I don't claim to be an objectivist at all. I know what I like and that's what matters. I also owned all the other tables you mentioned. The JVC QL-7 is quite decent but I prefer their later integrated tables with coreless motor such as QL-F6, QL-Y66F, QL-Y7, etc... which all sound smooth to me, none of that "cogging" jittery sound like many DD tables.
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