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In Reply to: RE: Audiophilia = Vinyl. posted by jusbe on November 26, 2014 at 00:50:33
> The forum with the highest turnover of posts and pages is vinyl - and has been for some time.
It seems to be pretty dead lately. It used to be a busy place. I think most of us are switching to digital. ;-)
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Speaking to Me, Myself and Whiskey man (Claude Akins movie pun) last night ... we came to the conclusion that we have become extremely Viper-cated.Streaming (Spotify, YouTube, Net Radio) is like a new format to us. Never though I would spend my time listening to MP3's ... then again, I never thought that my PC audio would sound as good as it does.
On the other hand we still enjoy high res hard media via the Vinyl format and some occasional rare CD purchases. It's the Redbook CD that is starting to rust (borrowing a term from Neil Young). Vinyl is same as it ever was ... aside from fewer more selective purchases (my collection is mature).
Have not pursued high res media less digital yet. If I do, it will be something niche ... like Neil Young's Pono player ... again Viper-cation ... extreme move to opposite ends of the spectrum.
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.
--Zen Proverb
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I can dream!
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
Go ahead and switch. I would be interested to see if the number leaving vinyl is greater than those starting or coming back. I never left and won't although I also have a SACD/CD player for music I can't get on vinyl.
> I would be interested to see if the number leaving vinyl is greater than those starting or coming back.
Well, if the number of posts is any indication, the trend is quite clear. ;-)
People from the vinyl era have been dying off rather steadily so it's no surprise that things have slowed down somewhat over that past decade. The younger, newer crop of vinylphiles who are relatively poor and uninformed are probably doing a lot more lurking than posting on this forum.Also, IMO, activity on the Vinyl forum started to decline several years ago, about the same time that Technics SL1200 turntables and sub-$1000 cartridges started becoming more and more popular. Things like this started pissing off the remaining "golden eared" vinylphiles and their megabuck analog systems. The golden-eared megabuckers started feeling insulted and discouraged because sub-$1000 turntables and cartridges were being favorably compared to the megabuck ones they'd been sold on, which in turn coincided rather nicely with the beginning of the economic recession in 2008. Discouraged and insulted, some of these hardcore analog guys (those who did not lose their money in the stock market crash) took off to post on true "high-end" forums where they could feel comfortable and greatly respected once again.
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I seldom post here for the same reason.
However there is a fairly good choice of excellent digital recordings made after the mid 80's, if you look deeply. However 95% of digital is crap, IMO!
The analog Lp era is ONLY for VERY OLD MEN! And I am one!
Digital today, done right, matches all but the best classic analog recordings!
I'm just shy of 35........and I dig vinyl...always did!
Am I geek to have noticed that 2 of the last 3 lp in the video presentation before the 4 lp conclusion were the RTI 2013 Mono Miles Someday My Prince Will Come and the 2014 MONO Beatles' Abbey Road re-issue?
:-)
Marty N.
> The golden-eared megabuckers started feeling insulted and discouraged because sub-$1000 turntables and
> cartridges were being favorably compared to the megabuck ones they'd been sold on, which in turn coincided
> rather nicely with the beginning of the economic recession in 2008.
Yeah, I remember when Michael Fremer posted 24/96 high-resolution digital recordings from his $200,000 Continuum Caliburn along with similar recordings from the VPI Traveler, and the vast majority of people preferred the sound of the VPI Traveler with sub-$1000 cartridges. ;-)
Wow! Very astute analysis of this forum.I came on board the Vinyl Asylum about 10 years ago asking a bunch of questions on what to buy in order to play my old collection of records from the 1970's. I didn't want to jump into a mega buck exotic turntable that looked like it landed from outer space or pay for a cartridge that costs more than my wife's diamond ring.
I purchased a modestly priced new Technics SL-1200mkII (and later, a KAB modified SL-1200mkII which I still own). My cartridge was the Audio Technica AT-120e, then the Denon DL-160, DL-103R, Dyna DV-20XH, Dyna 17D3, Benz Glider SL. Of course some 'golden ears' insisted that it wasn't worth putting decent cartridges on my "DJ Table" even though I could clearly hear the differences.
I also tried a couple different tone arms fitted to the SL-1200mkII, numerous tube and SS phono preamps, a couple Step Up Transformers, a Clearaudio table, a SOTA table, more cartridges, various alignment tools, etc.... All the while going back to the SL-1200mkII and being told that it was a crap table not worthy of being discussed in the same company as those pricey audiophile brands.
Oh well, I had lots of fun with the SL-1200mkII. I still have two of them. One that is brand new fully stock in MINT condition, and my KAB modified SL-1200mkII. I'll fire it up again someday.
But in the mean time, I've been hanging out over at the Computer Audio Asylum running into another crowd of audiophiles with some equally bizarre ideas of what is suitable for digital playback and what is not worthy. Same game, different technology. ;-)
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