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Went to the ENT yesterday to find out why the recorded sounds of my inhalations are louder than most notes I play these days.
There was a mix-up and they thought I wanted my hearing tested which I went ahead and did.
They test to 8kHz. At 8, EIGHT kHz, my hearing is down 20dBs!
Turns out the loud breaths are due to Bernoulli's Law effect on my 67 year old Larynx. Had it 'scoped; that was pretty cool and easier than the one that goes in the South End ;-}
From now on I will only comment on memories of Components Past. CTTOI, not the Recent Past.
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Just turn it up.
Makes no sense at all.
Had a top ENT guy in my town (San Francisco) do an full ear examination; ear scoping and cleaning, and my hearing improved immensely.
No longer have to lay in bed all night waiting for that inevitable 'early atrial beat' that my aging heart produces every minute or so because with my ears cleaned out I can no longer hear it. =:-0
....to use your bass and treble controls....?
He spent half my recent Annual complaining about (he's a fanatic jogger) his Achilles Tendon.
I keep telling him us Jews are built for more for comfort than for speed!
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Amioutaline
Sorry to hear (read) that your hearing is less than perfect, but I'm betting that if you hadn't been tested - and told - you would still be enjoying your music...
Probably true for most of us!
I think that your views are still valid, especially on the MUSIC forum!
I say KEEP ON SPINNING TO THE END!
(And don't stop posting...)
i know i don't hear ultrasonic alarms anymore, but i hear cymbals and other overtones but likely i am rolled off above 10k. no worries, i still enjoy music just fine and can detect overly bright and sibilant speakers quite well.
i am doing this at my daughter's behest; she has a habit of speaking to me while looking in another direction and the complains when i ask her to repeat the statement. this is my chance to prove to her that i do not have severe hearing loss. as Zappa would say" "now RUB it!" in her face, that is.
...regards...tr
Radio Shack decibel meter. I already had these items from a previous subwoofer installation. When I heard the 10kHz tone, I watched the needle move on the meter. At 12kHz I saw the needle move but heard nothing. Oh crap.
I now have to turn my head occasionally, and ladies' voices are the hardest to make out. That may not be a bad thing unless they start harping on ya. When watching British TV shows, I probably miss 50% and have to ask the wife for repeats.
the frequencies of transients probably go WAY up there and loss thereof may cause a reduction of intelligibility of speech.
that's my story and i am sticking to it.
...regards...tr
Other factors must be entering.
Human voice does not go beyond 1100 Hz for fundamentals although harmonics go much higher, even so second harmonics would be 2200, and third harmonics 3300, so they are well below the 10 kHz range you are missing.
Also note that if you are missing voices on TV but hear them OK in real life, then there is another factor at work here, probably the television speakers.
And don't worry, most males lose high frequencies after age 50, If you're right handed most likely its your right ear, and of course vice versa.
If you attend live music your brain actually will compensate for the hearing loss. You may not heat the actual upper frequency fundamental but you will feel and respond to their energy.
a factor after hearing loss with the higher frequencies. Background noise in our house includes forced air heating, refrigerators, humidifiers, etc. I purposely turn off our air to air heat exchanger when watching movies.
Your hearing loss above 10-kHz has nothing to do with your inability to hear voices. I have the same high-frequency loss as you, but I have no trouble with ladies voices or British TV shows. High-frequency hearing loss in men as they age is unavoidable and completely normal. I believe you have some other hearing problems in addition to your high-frequency hearing loss.
Best regards,
John Elison
I will have to research this more, but those little hairs might respond to both volume and frequency. Let me know if you have any additional information
Hey tr,
Back in the mid-'80s I was dating a woman who owned a Ford Bronco II. It created quite a bit of road noise so whenever I rode with her I had some difficulties understanding anything she said. Gradually that became my experience with any female voice in an automobile,
The problem increased slowly over the next several years to the point of misunderstanding speech in a relatively quiet room. Then I finally got tested.
Good luck but remember hearing loss may not necessarily be linear. We may still hear cymbals and bells but miss critical information at lower frequencies. That can affect speech and music perception.
"You can’t know what the “best” is unless you have heard everything, and keep in mind that given individual tastes, there really isn’t any such thing." HP
perhaps it's listening loss/ could both be right ;)
Dodging bullets is the next best thing to not having to.
"i know i don't hear ultrasonic alarms"
I'm pretty sure that, by definition, nobody does! :-)
-Bob
they used to have "sonic" alarms at thrifty drug here in LA back in the 70s. walking through one of its beams would just about rip your ears out (i could hear to 20k then).
so it must have been a sonic alarm.
...regards...tr
Guess what.
The hearing test will prove that she is right.
It's a moment, doncha know?
"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
Bullshit! Oops!, pardon the French :(
Down 20db at 8kHz don't mean much, it's not going to help you pretends some crap system sounds great. :)
The very highs, sure reserve comment if you like but 95% or so of the very highs are below 8kHz.
Above is a lot of noise as well, sadly the head seems to produces its own hi freq stuff as the external goes so away ... suggesting minor/mild tinnītus is more the rule than the exception ... perhaps it's actually a natural response mechanism to compensate for loss (gets out of whack in some, real tinnītus)?
Dodging bullets is the next best thing to not having to.
I spent 3 years as an engineman on a diesel electric fast attack
submarine where the 16 cyl supercharged diesel engines produced vibes that literally vibrate out some of your fillings, I now get a VA disability for my hearing, but I still very much enjoy music despite the fact most of the harmonics are nonexistent to me.
I haven't been able to hear 8K since I was 19.
Regards Ferd
Fred you make up for it with attitude! ;) lol how's she going?
Dodging bullets is the next best thing to not having to.
Happier than the proverbial clam, thanks for asking.
Regards Ferd
Here's where my hearing went south :-)
Good to hear (not the hearing part ... lol ... anyway I wouldn't last a day ... they'd have to fire me out of a torpedo shaft or better abandon me in a dingy lol
Dodging bullets is the next best thing to not having to.
You like to sleep with the window open too?
Having tested thousands of folk that ain't horrible. The possibilities are flat, -10, -20 and so on. Especially for 67. Having lost that 20db (likely)slowly over many years your brain has been compensating so you're not as bad off as you think. Most hearing tests use the following 125,250,500.1K,2K.3K,4K,6K,8K. None higher than 8K. Adding receiver in the canal open fit hearing aids can help (not cheap) and the most important thing they will do is slow further loss AND perhaps most important your ability to continue to understand speech "well".
ET
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I found that I test much better when the damned ALLERGIES are kept at bay. It was a difference of 10-20dB at higher freq. And if you can hear your breathing so loudly, it may be that your ear canals are full of water or just so swollen they don't work. I have had both simultaneously and went running to the doctor to save my hearing.
Good Luck,
Richard
I am 77 years old and find that there is much more to hearing than just frequency response. I think that if you keep on listening critically you will continue to finding it rewarding.
It makes me wish I'd hung onto a few pair of those bright, Gawd-awful speakers I couldn't stand back in the 20 to 20k days!
I demoed some Infinity speakers several years back and when I commented on how hot they sound the dealer told me the vast majority of Infinity buyers were elderly and he suspected they were having a hard time with high frequencies. I understand this is a generalization and not ALL Infinity products were like this.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Or Allison's with the tweeter attenuator switched off. I had a pair of Allison 4s. Great speakers, but not if you set the attenuator to off.
Snell E IIIs - Great bass and tweeters from Hell
Opus 33 1/3
Edits: 10/01/14
Not that you really sound like you're about to.
My hearing loss is greater than -20 dB at 8K. The result is I've worn hearing aids for nearly 13 years now. They may not have fully restored what I experienced prior to the loss but I can still enjoy music.
The key is to find a qualified audiologist, once concerned with your hearing correction rather than the price of the aids they might sell. Then choose among quality aids and avoid those $395 "specials". Lastly you must have patience for the adjustments necessary with a proper fitting - it is much more complicated that buying new prescription glasses.
Now I'm not patting myself on the back here but I will say my abilities to discern subtle component differences have amazed some friends in our local audio club. Not that I'm equal to others with "normal" hearing but much better than they would expect from anyone with hearing aids.
So good luck if you pursue that option.
"You can’t know what the “best” is unless you have heard everything, and keep in mind that given individual tastes, there really isn’t any such thing." HP
You seem to be taking in stride, but I'm sure this is quite upsetting. I'm sorry to hear the news - probably a worst case scenario for any lover of music.
I'm not sure hearing loss detracts from one's enjoyment of music. All men experience hearing loss due to aging. I'm 66 and I can still hear 10-kHz as easily as 1-kHz, but after that my hearing goes down rapidly and I can't hear anything past 12 or 13-kHz regardless of volume level. However, we all hear live music with the same ears that we hear our stereo system and I enjoy my stereo system more today than ever before. Hearing loss is simply a fact of life.
Best regards,
John Elison
audiophiles compensate for hearing loss with imagination and confidence they can remember the character of a record or component's sound even years after having last heard it. :-)
-Wendell
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Or should we bite the bullet and register our credit cards over at A-gon??? LOL
Dman
Analog Junkie
Didn't stop Ludwig von, did it?
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So in your last days then, you will be laying down beside your speakers in order to hear some semblance of music, just as Ludwig did when hammering out the tunes on his piano (probably the first audiophile to piss off his neighbors too! LOL)????
Good to see you carrying on!
PS- clean that flux off the board! Hehe...
Dman
Analog Junkie
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