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In Reply to: RE: So I just opened a sealed LP that hasn't seen the light of day since 1981.... posted by jdaniel@jps.net on September 27, 2014 at 21:51:10
If it is the NYP version, I too have a copy of this pressing and find it to be one of BOULEZ' better outings.
I know that the REINER/CO reading is commonly regarded to be the pinnacle - and I'm generally not a BOULEZ fan - but BOULEZ puts in a worthy contender in my estimation.
The Euro pressing is as quiet as a church-mouse...
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is a barn burner. Wow.
I'm not a big fan of Reiner's Bartok on RCA, as interpretations or recordings.
REINER/CO gets so much hype - some of which is obviously justified - that I was reluctant to reveal that I far prefer this BOULEZ/NYP version.
Perhaps we need to start a new thread named UNDER-RATED CLASSICAL CONTENDERS! I could literally name dozens as they relate to the 'war-horses' of the repertoire.
We might find ourselves in agreement... Or at very worst, find a fantastic new reading!
:)
True. IMHO, Reiner and his recording engineers turned out two Lp's for the ages: the '54 Ein Heldenleben and Mahler's Das Lied.
As far as Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra goes, the underdog is supposed to be Kubelik with the BSO on DG, but I'm not feeling it.
My favorite Bartok Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta is Haitink's with the Concertgebouw on Philips. Quite a recording as well.
As for the Miraculous Mandarin Suite, I'd go for the very late Ormandy recording on EMI. Just listen to the trombone/gong/bass drum "beat" before the strings enter in the "Chase Scene." Those who like overly-resonant bass drums front and center will be in heaven here.
Yes indeed; and these many decades after the event was recorded, I also have to say that ORMANDY and his PHILADELPHIANS still provide me with the finest RIMSKY-KORSAKOV, SCHEHERAZADE that these ears have ever heard.Based upon the common consensus, REINER/CO are supposed to win that shootout too, but to my mind even BEECHAM/PO tops the REINER effort for musical involvement.
(A pity about the subway train chugging through the middle of it...)Good luck finding a mint (quiet) Euro pressing of ORMANDY/PO/SCHEHERAZADE!
(I never have; and have had to content myself with SONY ESSENTIAL CLASSICS CD version... Fortunately, the ADD sound is first class!)I guess we all listen for something different?
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All involved had a good day with Ormandy's Verdi Requiem though. Can even hear deep bass drum!
I should confess that whilst I'm passionate about orchestral classics, I have precious few vocal outings in my collection.
I have tried to love OPERA and the like... But I'm not there yet. (Don't give up on me)
Regarding the COLUMBIA Engineers, I have found that these recordings are simply excellent - except on US-pressed vinyl!
A good example is SZELL/CO/RASKIN Mahler 4... Simply fabulous on English-pressed vinyl. (...and ESSENTIAL CLASSICS Compact Disc, dare I mention it here!)
In my view, it was the US-pressings - and probably the poor quality vinyl - that let the side down; not the recording engineers.
Be encouraged to hunt out some of the old Euro pressings of the (now) SONY Classical catalog... Dutch pressings are also first class!
Szell's Wagner as well.
I hope a special place is reserved in hell for the guys that recorded the Szell/Fleisher Brahms and Beethoven concerti. Not to mention his Brahms Symphonies. Sizzling strings! Ouch.
Musically, I consider it the pinnacle of Emperors. But despite a fair bit of expected tape-hiss, I find the sonics quite acceptable.Or was it the tape hiss downside you were referring to?
(My mind tends to filter it out after a few minutes...)Have you heard this reading on a non-US vinyl pressing?
(Or the SONY ESSENTIAL CLASSICS Compact Disc?)
The sound is pretty good for the era IMHO.I could be wrong, but I wonder if this is another example of poor US vinyl pressing...?
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...where acoustic Columbias had poorer sound quality and did not "hold up" to multiple playings as well as acoustic Victors. That seemed to follow through in the early electrical era, too. Later (late 30s through the end of production of 78s) Columbias seemed to have improved; I have a few early 50s discs that really are impressive.
Later Gator,
Dave
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