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In Reply to: RE: AT-ART7 posted by Dave Garretson on September 20, 2014 at 07:06:13
Glad to here there's more body. Would have been disappointed to find it threadbare.
Future classic?
big j.
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
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It won't be a classic unless a few more pony up and post their results...
I'm torn between purchasing a second one while they're still in production vs. splurging on something like the more vetted Transfiguration Proteus for comparison. The problem with hoping for validation by second-hand insights is that there is too little mingling of high and low. My sense is that the ART7 may bridge the gap.
If the Proteus is anything like the Orpheus, then it's not my cup of tea... I can not afford either, but I have heard Orpheus on many occasions. To me it sounds lean, with reduced bass and lower midrange, with peaky upper mids/lower treble. The way Denon sounds in my system, is almost completely opposite to your description. It does have a dry-ish character somewhat,because it is very accurate and coloration-free, but the tonal balance is very warm, darkish, with somewhat recessed highs and strong, full bass. Somewhat similar to Shelter 901. This is the second one I own, the first one sounded exactly the same. This is why I want another one, because I can not tolerate bright cartridges, lacking warmth and bass. I also have Audio Technica OC-9ML Mk II, different sound altogether. If Art is similar to that, I would try it. If Art is similar to Transfiguration or ZYX school of sound, I wouldn't even bother... Price on Amazon is down to $820 from "Galaxy Japan". They sell Art 9 already on Ebay!
I only mention the Proteus because I'm looking for low output and curious after reading Fremer's review and a favorable thread on Agon. Hopefully it will turn up at the NYC show next week.
My most recent reference points are mostly NOS MM/MI(Grace, Acutex, Stanton, Azden, Sonus), so like you I'm into weight and warmth. So far the best MC that I've heard with a similar gestalt is ART7 and Lyra Etna.
Dave,
I was wondering if you've heard some of the better Dynavectors? I had a brief listen to the XX-2 and it seemed to have the type sound you're looking for. I'm just curious about your impressions, if you've checked them out.
On another note, anyone interested in that old Ortofon phase article can download it here:
neo
BIRD LIVES
I haven't heard any Dyna, but have heard them praised highly by everyone I know who has one. However, with two high-gain phono stages in house, I'm leaning toward very low output MCs on the theory that fewer turns of the coil is optimal.
Just went up on Amazon to $901. The lowest $803 of yesterday is gone, along with the 5-star retailer in Japan. Oh well.
I think I should try the Art7. I imagine if I hate it I will be able to sell it with an acceptable loss. I use the AT OC-9ML Mk II as my everyday cartridge, and AT33PTG occasionally, when I need more mids/slam, so I think that AT "home" sound will be very familiar.
We compared Orpheus to Koetsu Rosewood Signature and Lyra (something late and severely expensive (close to $9K)). I preferred Lyra as my first choice, Koetsu as second, and Orpheus - I could not tolerate. Lyra was also the best tracker. The system was around $300K, so we could trust it :-)) I've heard Orpheus again this Saturday in Brooklyn, on rather decent system, and my opinion has not changed.
BTW, after Fremer's favorable take on Beatles stereo remastered vinyl, I tend to stay away from his reviews. IMHO.
Thank you for your input!
If your $9K comparison cartridge was a Lyra Atlas, it may be worth considering the data point that Fremer found a similar signature in the Proteus. From listening at shows, I agree with him that the Lyra Etna is richer and more emotional than the Atlas.
I erred on the safe side with the stereo reissues by testing the water with the White Album. Even a thin-sounding original Capitol pressing puts the stereo reissue to shame. The LP mono box is another story-- perhaps we should thank Fremer for helping to plant the seed for that one at Abbey Road.
Agree on White Album :-)
Have you heard any of the new mono versions? I have not, but they may be fine. I have had a lot of problems with the stereo versions. I have even compiled a CD-R of comparisons. Mostly having to do with severe high frequency roll-off at inner tracks (Sean actually said that they did this to avoid IGD). I also found the vinyl to sound worse than either the remastered CDs or the Apple flash stick. People on forums wouldn't listen.
Today it's dry, my planars are dry, and Denon is singing :-)
Good luck!
I bought all of the new monos except for the earliest albums. They all sound great and there is no mistaking the analog source and the generally good condition of the master tapes. I haven't absorbed them completely, but so far the standouts in sonic terms are Magical Mystery Tour and The Mono Masters. Rubber Soul sounds slightly rolled off and recessed and less vivid than the others.
I'm really glad that I skipped most of the Beatles reissues and rare pressings over the years. The new monos are the endpoint! It's more than a little depressing that it took fifty years for Abbey Road to Get Back.
Never mind, just saw them on Amazon :-) I will try one
:-) I didn't know they are available for sale separately? Where did yiu find them? I just want to try. I have literally a TON of Beatles, including some rare and/or great sounding ones. Want to try the new ones just for the hell of it.
Rgds
Mark
Some of the very best sounding Beatles that I have are on a "Beatles EP" CD (gasp! Anathema!) blue box.
Much appreciated insight - especially since I have vintage MM/MI in my stable (ADC, Pickering/Stanton, Acutex/Piezo, Empire, et al).
big j.
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
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