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In Reply to: RE: Question for you or anyone who knows. posted by Tre' on September 17, 2014 at 13:14:19
I have limited experience with the Gyger...have a Goldring 1042 that has one. Does not seem to me to be as delicate about azimuth, etc. as the OLC I have, but does require careful set up.
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When you say the OLC is delicate about azimuth, what exactly do you mean? Does it not sound good with the cartridge level to the record playing surface?
When you speak about azimuth, I'm assuming you are referring to the azimuth of the stylus in the groove since you are connecting your concern to specific type of stylus. The normal type of azimuth that most of us are concerned with refers to the azimuth of the electromagnetic generator inside the cartridge body. For example, the Fozgometer aligns the azimuth of the electromagnetic generator to minimize crosstalk. Stylus shape has no influence on that type of azimuth or its adjustment sensitivity. In other words, a conical stylus has the same sensitivity to that kind of azimuth as a Geiger stylus. Therefore, I'm trying to determine what your concerns are with azimuth and what your cartridge sounds like when it's level to the playing surface like most people set azimuth.
Thanks,
John Elison
John...I don't speak for anyone else, but when I speak of azimuth I mean the relationship of the stylus in the groove...leaning, or not leaning, to one side or the other.
And my experience with the Fozgometer, with this very cartridge and its OCL stylus, was that the Fozgometer was no closer than putting a small bubble level on top of the headshell.
The OCL-tipped van den Hul MC 10 I have wants to be absolutely, positively, perfectly straight up and down...not the slightest lean to one side or the other.
The CL, on the other hand, is pretty happy with "close enough for government work."
Ultimately, speaking only for my own self, the OCL is not worth the trouble.
Well, the Fozgometer is not designed to level the cartridge. It is designed to tilt the cartridge one way or the other until it produces maximum channel separation. Rarely is the optimal azimuth position level.
I guess you must use a microscope in order to see whether stylus azimuth is correct. That would be the only way to tell for sure.
Thanks,
John Elison
Poor choice of words on my part. Your description of how the Fozgometer works is exactly what I meant.
What I am saying is that the Soundsmith Optimized Contour Nude Contact Line Stylus/cantilever is extremely sensitive to this.
In fact, in case anybody has not understood what I have been trying to say, the ruby cantilever/Optimized Contour” Nude Contact Line Stylus combination I have on my van den Hul MC10 is a royal PITA to just play records with.
I wish I had known this because I do like the sound of the cartridge, and would have, I have no doubt, been blissfully happy with the $250 selection and happily spent the $100 on used records I can't, generally, play with the Optimized Contour Nude Contact Line Stylus.
Let me make it clear I am not saying there is anything wrong with the Optimized Contour” Nude Contact Line Stylus.
Just that, in my system, for me, it is not a practical, everyday stylus shape.
If you use the Dr. Feikhart software and measure crosstalk: you can adjust the arm to get optimum or even perfect azimuth. This is IMO the only way to get accurate azimuth. Yes I have used the Fozgometer but found that it only gets close. Once you use the Feickhart software, you come to understand how important azimuth is.
I have not found the SS OLC stylus to be any pickier than a spherical.
Azimuth is splitting hairs no matter what the stylus shape.
As for what does correct azimuth elicit? Dynamics is much better universally. Soundstage only marginally on most cartridges. Tracking extreme passages are better as well.
it's about the music
I had the OLC sylus put on a Benz M2 Woodbody. IMO the cartridge sounds better than it did before. Maybe a little brighter, definitely more detailed which is just what the Benz needed. If your cartridge is already on the bright side, it might be too much.
I always find azimuth to be critcal in getting the best sound out of any cartridge.
Could it be that the Soundsmith Optimized Contour Nude Contact Line Stylus (or other similar shaped stylus) is/are much better at extracting soundstage, etc. that when it's right, it's really right and when a "lessor" shaped stylus is right it's just not that much better than when it's wrong?Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Edits: 09/18/14
NT
Can you describe what you hear when the azimuth is suboptimal vs when it is optimized? I am a little puzzled that sound QUALITY would be so compromised by azimuth settings; I have generally observed that proper adjustment of azimuth has its major effect on "sound staging" or imaging (or whatever term you like that applies) but nearly no effect on whether the cartridge sounds good or bad. Thanks.
The short answer is that I have, on some records, record noise in only one channel..clicks, pops...record noise.
When the stars are aligned in perfect order, no noise in either channel.
But yes, incorrect azimuth does affect soundstaging...shrinks it or leans it toward one side or the other very slightly.
I am certainly not claiming to be an expert on the OLC stylus shape or anything close to that.
Just reporting what I hear with the example I have.
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