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In Reply to: RE: Strobe light and disc posted by Lakeshore Larry on September 01, 2014 at 06:19:21
A number of questions:
1. Why use a stobe disc at all speed if accuracy is not important.
Speed accuracy IS important.
2. If speed accuracy is important, why not do it as precisely as possible?
Precisely as possible is a ridiculous (and ridiculously expensive) standard. Precisely as necessary is mine.
3. Do you actually use a small strobe disc while playing LP's (please post photos of this, I'd love to see it!).
Actually many strobe patterns permit this as they are smaller than a 12" disk. On some test records strobe markings are given on the record label. Take your own pictures.
4. How much money have you spent on your system (total equipment)?
My system is posted. Do the math.
5. Can you honestly justify every equipment purchase you've made has paid for itself, or have you sometimes bought "the best" when even several grades lower would have been ok?
I purchase what I think I need. I am not here to enrich those who make needless junk or who charge excessively for what is essentially cheap. I could name names.
6. Would you accept it better if it had the letters V, P, & I on the front?
No.
But your recommendation (of the Roadrunner by itself) is for the obsessive who wish to have something to look at and admire while their disk is playing. It has nothing to do with music.
Follow Ups:
"Precisely as possible is a ridiculous (and ridiculously expensive) standard. Precisely as necessary is mine."Good news, the folks at Phoenix Engineering have you covered:
Edits: 09/01/14
Well, let's see; this is your equipment list-
Amp: Sim Audio Moon W-5
PreAmp: Sim Audio Moon P-5
Speakers: Von Schweikert VR4-jr
CD Player: Oppo BDP-105
Turntable: VPI TNT w/original acrylic-lead platter, Mark V bearing and 300 rpm motor/flywheel combination on home-brew sandbox; ball suspension; VPI SDS; TTWeights 2.4 lb. Plated Copper Sandwich Ringweight, VPI HW-1 Steel Centerweight; Single Silk Thread replaces Belt; VPI JMW-12 with JMW-12.5 bearing and upper bearing weight and 12.6 drop counter weight; Shelter 501 II with Soundsmith OC retip; Audiomat Phono 1
Cables: Coincident IC from arm to phono pre to preamp; Cardas Golden Cross Balanced to amp. Coincident IC balanced from Oppo to preamp; Kimber 8TC shotgunned to treble-mid modules, Monster M1 to bass modules.
Other/Power Supplies: Supra LoRad w/Valab PCs to amp, preamp and Oppo. Monster Cable MP PRO 3500 line filter on sources; VPI 16.5 Record Cleaner; My Weigh MX-50 for VTF; Cart-A-Line for HTA. Superspikes, lead shot for speakers.
Nothing exotic or over the top here...just strictly utilitarian equipment.
Do you suppose Audiophiles are like sports car enthusiasts, as far as them buying expensive high power toys to compensate for being inadequate in some other areas?
You smell like a troll to me, with the above personal attack that is irrelevant to the argument.
Later Gator,
Dave
Wikipedia: "In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]" .
The OP asked for suggestions to help him determine and adjust his turntable speed. My response was relevant to the discussion. Most of the responding posts were a direct attack on my attempt to provide information to the OP, calling it "needless junk, excessively expensive, obsessive", etc. Certainly meets the definition according to Wikipedia...
So you are correct. There are definitely trolls on this website.
I guess a post like this is why they call it the Asylum!
Mel, you've inspired me; I think I have a great idea for a new product: a strobe disk with the spots randomly displaced from the ideal location to produce a "built in" diffused accuracy. What level of inaccuracy would you consider adequate for the task, suitable for an enlightened audiophile? I certainly don't want to go down the same dead end road that the bloke from Phoenix Engineering did; what in the name of the Wide World of Sports was he thinking anyway!?!
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