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In a recent fit of boredom I was going through my component instruction manual file recently and started to read the Linn manual for my Basik turntable. On the subject of record cleaners Linn claimed (paraphrasing here) that there is no need for them and to let the stylus itself clean out the dust, etc. from the grooves.
Granted this was probably written 20 years ago, but any followers here to that recommendation? Any truth at all to this?
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Bought an original Overnite Sensation on ebay. Seller said NM, glossy clean not a mark on it.
He was right.....but when played it sounded like snap, crackle and pop.
I was pissed, he gave me back the shipping costs.
Two years later i got a RC machine and damn it really was a NM LP.
...and his LP collection is quite something.
I have been using a Panasonic Record Cleaner since they came out around 1980. Looks gimmicky, but it really works great at getting the dust out of the grooves. Over time, the bristles wear down and do not contact the record properly. I found one brand new at the Turntable Factory about7 years ago for $25. The first one lasted 25 years.
Are you serious or are you just bored?
Most records I really wanted to clean were damaged and nothing could save them.
As far as the rest yes my 2 different VPI machines made a difference - but not much of one to make it worth the hassle and to take up precious real estate.
I liked cleaning disks more when I sold them.
Too each his own - in general most of my records are clean enough to not need a vacuum.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
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Yeah, most of the LINN Lp's I bought were so noisy that no amount of cleaning would ever cure crappy pressings.
The first time you clean an Lp, even if just by using the faucet and a towel, you see the stupidity of LINN's claim.
These are the same guys who wear skirts and no underwear....
just sayin...
dee
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Jeez, I forgot how f'ing funny Robin Williams could be. I was laughing so hard, I started crying. Thanks for that, it made my morning!
I don't fukin care who you are, that's fukin funny.
Absolutely, vinyl is self-cleaning and indestructable.
Linn were so wrong.
I wonder what there attitude is now ? No doubt the same !
Some of the other posters mentioned the Linn recommendation for using green sandpaper to clean a stylus. I ask why when Carbon / Kevlar fibre brushes were avail in the 1990's ?
A linn dealer in the 90's berated me because I was using a cartridge other than Linn ! The issue was a 'Boron cantilever'
Serious - this was the Australian Linn dealer who was adamant that Boron was totally unsuitable for a cantilever material even though Van Del Hull & other Japanese manufacture were using the same material.
That company has a strange DNA ! I find there attitude akin to misguided religious ZEALOTS of the 17th century ! Enough said....
Regards
Johno
Oz
Boron? Boron? Everybody needs a little boron in their life!
BTW Rega is of the opinion that vinyl does not require "cleaning".
BTW+ What is promoted today by most vinylists is more like "cleansing", it is a ritualistic pursuit much like those of the 17th Century and is most certainly carried out with much zeal.
Everybody needs a little boron in their life!
It is especially valuable for older folks in the prevention and treatment of osteoarthritis.
Nutritional value of boron
And my Shinon Red certainly sounded pretty nice with its boron cantilever. :)
"Most record cleaning devices do more harm than good. Linn suggest
that you let the stylus remove any dirt which may be in the groove,
then clean the stylus."
Interesting that they kept the same copy in their 30+ year old manual but they took out copy about one speakers in the room rule from the current manual.
They're both nuts.
The guys here are way to nice, anyone who wrote or believes that is a moron, period, end of story!!!!!!!!!!!!
As a record lover for 60 years and playing with every brush, cloth, liquid imaginable I heard my first RCM machine at HP's house in 1977, couldn't afford it so I built a vacuum machine for my use. Turned out it beat HP's machine and VPI was born but the bottom line is if you can't hear what a cleaning machine does you should not be making turntables. You should burn that manual.
HW
Well if it was in HP's house, the highest High Priest in the religion, no wonder you were an early convert!
Harry's friend JWC also had one back in the 70s which is where I first experienced it. I thought it was pretty amazing, too as compared with a trusty Discwasher brush. With its vacuum action, surface noise was now gone.
Thanks to Mr. Weisfeld, one no longer had to spend something like $1600 (1977 dollars) in order to achieve those results. I bought my HW-16 back in '82 that soldiers on very well today. :)
a 16.5? EZ to do and well worth it.
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
I replaced the original integrated lid/suction tube with the base mounted type long ago. Also, the foam mat on the platter finally cracked enough so I replaced the platter with a current cork mat based unit having a threaded spindle. I have also replaced the brush and three suction tubes.
Not bad for three decades. :)
Give the stylus enough time to clean that side, say 2 or 3 play throughs and then do another listening test and you will get your answer.
I for one will still be cleaning my lp's, as the Irish say "Too Be Sure, Too Be Sure" not to be damaging the record.
BH
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I seem to recall that Linn then suggested that, every now and again, you clean the stylus that has been dredging out the goo with a very fine sandpaper.
I don't recall too many takers!
But, anything to make playing vinyl less of a hassle may be welcome!
can't remember who suggested that but it is of a similar vintage.
Hard to find matchbooks these days.
As bogus (utterly preposterous) as not cleaning is
the Green 3M ultrafine sandpaper is a perfectly safe
and damned effective for cleaning up really nasty styli
with burned on crud.
The avaricious Scott also likes selling more prematurely worn out Styli playing dirty records is essentially not unlike introducing progressively more abrasive lapping compound in the groove.
I agree with volunteer. Try uncleaned and cleaned and then decide if you hear a difference.
The author of your turntable manual probably means to say there is no need to clean new records.
Hey, did I mention that that I dry clean records (used records) and I do that in direct sunlight with microfiber cloth, brush and blower bulb?
New vinyl needs cleaning. . . I cleaned about 20 new, unplayed records and there was most definitely vinyl 'dirt' cleaned from the records. Unlike CDs, vinyl is not cut in a 'clean room'.
My understanding is that due to the heat created by the stylus, dirt / dust / whatever can be permanently fused into the vinyl itself.
Craig
I have a cleaner I assembled from an ultrasonic bath. It is about as simple a way to clean records as one can imagine and I still despise cleaning records.
So, even though I know how much better things would sound with more clean records I put off doing cleaning and hope the stylus will clear the grooves! (I do keep my stylus very clean)
Finished cleaning 22 of my records. Boy do they sound a lot better. Enough said.....
nt
By denying scientific principles, one may maintain any paradox.
Galileo Galilei
Granted for that copy of "Thriller" that is irreplaceable (after all there are only 100 million copies sold!) it won't matter, you can just reach into the stack and start playing another copy.
Either manually, with a disk doctor setup, for instance, or preferably a vacuum RCM. I got my first vacuum RCM 30 years ago and would not be without one.
Opus 33 1/3
I absolutely concur. If you're going to listen to lps (especially used ops) I think an RCM is essential. There's a point where hand wishing is time consuming and limiting.
Sim
Try uncleaned and cleaned records and see if you hear a difference.
-Wendell
That's not the point. The point is do you enjoy records more when vacuum cleaned. Me, overall, I enjoy listening to records less when going through the hassle of using a RCM. The additional "enjoyment" of listening to a cleaned record doesn't make up for the hassle of cleaning it.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
... if you've got a few years to spare for your experimentation, set up two identical rigs. Play only well cleaned LPs on one and dirty LPs on the other. Keep the playing hours equal.
And simply see which stylus needs replacing first!
Obviously being silly here.
Poke around here – and elsewhere – and read about folks’ cleaning routines.
Time spent cleaning your discs will repay you with greater listening pleasure for years to come.
Please know this: if you store each newly cleaned LP in a decent quality brand new sleeve, you will likely never need to fully clean it again.
-=- Charlie F.
If the OP wasn't aware Linns record cleaning instructions not to clean records are out of the audio stone age. Follow Linns instructions and your going to gunk up the stylus and it will wear out prematurely from dirt in the record grooves. Never mind the sound of the record will be degraded by both the dirt in the record grooves and on the stylus. Both new and preowned records should be cleaned preferably with a RCM and commercial cleaning/rinsing fluids or an ultrasonic cleaner. Just about everyone that has purchased a RCM has said it was the biggest sonic upgrade they will likely ever make to their analog system.
Edits: 07/23/14
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