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Christopher
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Edits: 04/23/14 04/23/14 04/23/14 04/23/14Follow Ups:
The spacer raised the arm about 3mm as an eyeball guess.
Then some folks chastized the guy for the word 'armboard' instead of spacer. Like he commited some crime.
So I guess he decided to delete the picture?
I know you like the results and that is all cool, I just get a bit snarky when a manufacturer takes shortcuts. So Bob should make an extra effort to make the spacer look a lot more industrial.
dee
;-D
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
I love this site. I too am guilty of blowing things way out of proportion. In this case, SeaDog needed a spacer. I could have asked VPI to send me one, but I had in stock a Bronze disc that was exactly the same dimensions as the delrin one from VPI. I asked SeaDog if he wanted the bronze one instead (at no cost to him). He jumped on it. Easy. I drilled the 3 screw holes and was done. Who knew that this would become a long post; or even worthy of a post at all.
but after this marine bronze armboard business I'm afraid it's off with your head and a resting place along side Jimmy Hoffa.
-;)
Never trust an Atom, they Make Up everything!
nt
Yes……Jimmy Hoffa is dead. Of Natural Causes.
After his disappearance, he worked 'off the books' in an upstate Michigan Materernity Hospital as a a Labor Organizer.
Too much is never enough
The truth...So he really wanted a washer :)...No offense, but when it comes to high end audio a lot of time esthetics just take s a seat at the end of the bus. And Bob i may be misdirecting but on a cnc mill or lathe for an extra few pennies in material one make the spacer look like a million bucks. If you are the small guy who does not have one, i blame you not for making a round spacer; not for a second. But i took it that the original manufacturer was VPI :). And they have very few excuses not making it look cool.
I started it i guess.
dee
;-D
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
Edits: 04/23/14 04/23/14
There is no pleasing these negative.....
Christopher
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It's what we do. :-(
-Wendell
I can't see the pictures. :-(
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
I will send them to you John. If I could delete the OP I would but VA will not let me.
Christopher
Qui tacet consentit.
Looks like he did a major edit including removing the pictures. The snide comments are, most likely, the reason.
-Wendell
You sure it's not going to "color" the sound??? LOL I make myself laugh.
Bob is quite a guy having reinvented the spacer... what with the marine bronze I bet the sound is now way more liquid?
Good one.
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
Is that english? Sounds like a weird Tagalog variant!
"When the demon is at your door, in the mornin' it won't be there no more"
Steely Dan
rolling on the floor laughing out loud, my ass off
i think there is a an extra l in there that was not necessary.
at least something like that....
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
VPI sells both stainless steel and Delrin spacers made for the JMW arms. IIRC, the spacers cost $40.
BTW, there is no such thing as a HRX aluminum platter. The platter now used on the HRX is called the "Classic" platter which is the same platter used on the Classic, Aries, and HRX tables.
Just saying...take 5 minutes to make one on the lathe.
dee
;-D
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
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Christopher
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Edits: 04/23/14
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Christopher
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My lathe my bronze :)...i bet you can find stock with the id and od close enough so it is 4 cuts, there cutters. One boring bar to clean up the id, one carbide to clean up the end the outside and one cutoff. really 5 mins total...
Now if you want something that looks like it was meant to fully support the total base of the arm...that is a lot more work. multiple setups on a milling machine and precision boring on the mill, and and...so i understand the washer concept, but it is really lame :)
dee
;-D
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
If so, please PM me.
I had the same thought as you and others regarding that spacer. It's not elegant, but it does do the job. "Elegant" would be if it exactly followed the shape of the base of the tonearm proper, but I don't think anyone would hear a difference.
Absolutely not...
see ?
well you can follow that from the arguments :).
I sent you email.
dee
;-D
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
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Christopher
Qui tacet consentit.
Edits: 04/23/14
What Penguin takes for granted is that his 5 minutes comes after years of learning and doing.
To those whose interests and careers go elsewhere and don't know the difference between a drill bit and an end mill, it's simply not familiar ground.
I'm thinking a Seadog might know things any Penguin would find useful.
but the point is that a manufacturer with access to CNC tooling should make things elegant even if it does not serve any purpose, Industrial design is a big part of making things desirable and pleasing. I know for a fact that a washer does the same job as a plate that follows the contour and has a 1/16" polished bevel on a sand blasted bronze finish. With automated machinery the later may cost an extra buck, but looks sooooo much cooler.
Even an old penguin can learn new tricks ... :)
dee
;-D
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
what a mess.
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
Hear any difference with the arm off the acrylic? Or did you do the platter/bearing upgrade simultaneously?
I feel the aluminum armboard damped with SD-40 I made to accommodate the JMW 9T improves the focus over the stock acrylic.
Is that an HW-19 v. IV? I am between phono stages so I do not know.
Christopher
Qui tacet consentit.
I would call it a spacer. ;-))
And (sorry to rain on your parade but) I suggest it would've looked better had it followed the shape of that lowest ovoid collar on the VPI arm - say, 1/8" proud all the way round. Of course, that would've made it a much more expensive proposition.
Andy
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Christopher
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Edits: 04/23/14
As the email I got from VA said: " The bronze is an exact duplicate of Delrin 1/2" armboard that came with the platter/bearing - basically a drilled 3-4" disc. It would be cool to have an armboard that followed the contours of the 12.7 base ."
I see - so it's just Harry's grandiose marketing-speak. :-))
I'm curious to know whether the sound which came from the bronze spacer betters the sound when the Delrin spacer was there ... as I have read of another instance where a bronze spacer was swapped for Delrin and it sounded better.
Regards,
Andy
You can always trace an outline of the VPI base onto the bronze spacer and simply grind off the excess material using a standard bench mount grinder. I believe that bronze is relatively soft.
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