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In Reply to: RE: RCM comparisons? posted by adaug on April 15, 2014 at 18:54:43
Gives me a chance to trot out my Shop-Vac twice a year
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I've previously used my late Fathers Nity Gritty and borrowed VPI HW 16.5
from a dealer friend and find my DIY rig actually is capable of better results
the little plastic el cheapo hardware store wet dry vac has a lot more balls than any of the commercial RCM's I've used and I have the luxury of metering the precise amount of suction with my thumb I drilled a small hole in the vacuum hand tool.
I've found the most critical single aspect regardless of the machine being used
is the record cleaning solvent, I prefer Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab Super Record Wash (32 Oz) (RRL) as it lifts and suspends the crud from the groove
I use a carbon fiber (AQ) brush to distribute the solvent.
The RRL also contains a Vinyl lubricant component to restore whatever
was lost in the cleaning process, DIY solvents particularly the ones containg Alcohol typically leave a dry groove and do a piss poor job of actually suspending whatever crud has been dislodged.
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Back when I first started wet cleaning/vacuuming, I tried many combinations of cleaners and rinses and found that grocery store distilled water as a rinse put noise back on the record.
I also found that 2 applications of most any cleaner beat one application of the best cleaner.
Now I clean with Mobile Fidelity (RRL) Super Deep and vacuum, then a Super Wash rinse and vacuum. Result is very quiet, good sounding LPs.
Seems there's always at lest one poster in these threads that insists his method leaves a disc totally noise free. Don't know what to make of that. Did his service in the Artillery?
The play after the wash is the key to just using tap water.
If i play right after i rinse it off/dry it. It sounds fine. AND will not have crackle afterwards either.
If I would just put it aside and play a few days later? no, it is noisy.
So YES the record does have something left which playing it right off takes care of.
Really.
There was a "wet playing" craze 7 or 8 years ago that went away but I wonder if it isn't a good idea, regardless of the liquids used, to play immediately after vacuuming as Elizabeth suggests.
do you really want your stylus to serve as a groove-cleaner? I don't. I wonder whether Elizabeth has examined her stylus under a microscope, post-play post-cleaning.
However, I think it is more likely that Elizabeth's observation has to do with static electricity build-up, which if correct makes the whole point moot.
I'm given to believe that Milwaukee tap water will make your records taste and smell like cheap (Duff) beer ;-)
Regards Ferd
I can think of nobody who would be a better expert in cheap beer.
Opus 33 1/3
There are several water works. The main city one beingcloser to it the water is MUCH better.
As you move further away the water mains etc add to the problem.
I grew up on the East side and the water was great. Now I am somewhat further away and the water taste is not great. But it STILL is pretty clean water. (Compared to other cities on rivers.. I pity folks on the Mississippi.. downstream Yikes!)
One added benefit of Chicago dumping billions of gallons away from lake Michigan (into eventuaally the Mississippi) is they help keep it all clean by drawing the water on down towards them from us.. So we (Milwaukee) do not drown in our own filth)
Chicago has sued Milwaukee and won about making us dump clean water only.. We still dump sewage when big storms arrive.. But sice Chicago is drinking that water... LOL
I pity folks in the SouthWest and Cali about not having water.. We have gazillions of gallons here on the Great Lakes.. And not giving any away either...The Great Lakes Compact sees to that.
I went to high school in Chicago and am firmly convinced that if the
cosmic Big Kahuna ever decides to give the planet an enema the nozzle goes in there.
I much prefer Wisconsin, I currently live in Beloit (The Paris of Southern Wisconsin ;-)
Regards Ferd
I believe it's pronounced "Bel-wah" (or, when pronounced phonetically, the sound a quarter makes when it's dropped in the Rock River).
;-) are you resident of this fine city ?
Beloit born and bred! Currently residing in Madison.
I lived in Madison for 25 years, then after the IRS cleaned me out, I lost my house and business and had to relocate, I considered Tuscany, Provance Palma Majorca and then it hit me Beloit ;-)
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