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In Reply to: RE: Certus posted by BPoletti on April 14, 2014 at 10:58:38
Its convenient for those in the hifi biz to blame hotel rooms (including the adequately large rooms I've heard some rotten sounding megabuck systems playing in which had multi-thousands of bucks worth of room treatments placed by the manufacturers/dealers) for bad sound at shows. I've heard plenty of rooms at shows that had good sound coming from setups ranging from downright cheap to waaaay past my financial limit.It always seems silly to me when people blow off how something sounds at shows due to "room conditions", as if our own listening rooms are all acoustic gems, not to mention plenty of reviewers' listening rooms.
I've been to four hifi shows in NYC. Of course there were exceptions, but the overwhelming majority of rooms that hyper-expensive products were playing in were at least adequate to the task and AFAIK as acceptable as the listening rooms of plenty of hifi reviewers and many of our own. I came away from all four shows feeling a lot of those very expensive hifi products weren't even remotely worth the asking price. Actually I felt many were sucker bait. Conversely, my impressions of most relatively inexpensive setups was that they sounded at the least worth the asking price, and quite a few shamed a number of the high priced spreads. Bear in mind I'm not talking about situations like humongus spkrs. set up in tiny rooms where they have no chance to display what they're capable of.
Naturally its best to judge hifi when listening in a room with great acoustics, and there's no substitute for auditions in our own homes. But to automatically discount what we hear at shows seems ridiculous to me. If you're gonna take your products to a show, set 'em up and play music thru 'em rather than just have a visual display, spare me the bullshit excuses. Think your products can't sound good in a hotel room/hall? Then either don't bring them to a hifi show or don't have people listening to music in your room.
Edits: 04/14/14Follow Ups:
Rick W: "If you're gonna take your products to a show, set 'em up and play music thru 'em rather than just have a visual display, spare me the bullshit excuses."
Agree.
While I tend to be sympathetic to your arguments I'm also sympathetic to those manufacturers/retailers who find themselves in terrible rooms and it's too late to back out. I've also heard systems that sound bad on the opening day of a show and -- for whatever reasons -- just fine on the closing day. Too bad for the people who weren't able to give them a second chance (not to mention the manufacturers).
I've always made 2 or 3 visits. Sometimes setup on the first day is rushed due to any number of things, and exhibitors may make adjustments for the 2nd day. If I either really like what I hear in a room or think a very high priced system should sound much better, I may go three times.
'Course some of those visits may be very short if each time I go to a room they're playing either basically sound effects to demonstrate frequency extremes or audiophile pap :-)
I've been told by an exhibitor that his AC was sagging greatly with every room on a floor hosting a high-end system. I wonder what the sonic impact of that was.
The shows I've attended have been at the Hilton and the Waldorf. They were big shows in big hotels, loaded with hifi setups playing music, loaded with guests using AC, loaded with running appliances used by the hotels.Funny how some rooms in the same hotels with the same AC hassles sounded damn good and others didd't, and the good sounding rooms weren't all small setups (as opposed to "current hungry" systems).
Many of the exhibitors who find one excuse or another for bad sound are not show novices. They know what to expect. Just as I mentioned the elaborate room treatments some of 'em employ, I've seen some very expensive line "conditioners" and power re-generators employed in rooms with systems that sounded either bad, mediocre, or nowhere near worth the $$$$$$$.
I don't buy into the excuses. If its such a shitty place to showcase SOUND, why the hell do they play music in their rooms and why are they charging us to listen?
Edits: 04/14/14
As a consumer who values gear that ignores the differences between perfect power and the ugly type of power I'll surely see at my outlets I'd say this type of real world performance evaluation is a great opportunity for hearing the truth for yourself.
I'm surprised the manufacturers with the types of designs which only perform well under optimal conditions even display at all.
Such a rough world when to make sales you must show your equipment under real world conditions and the gear miraculously can't achieve the performance it does under ideal lab conditions. Wah! I'm with you Rick.
Well, if true it would affect different rooms differently since each design would have a different tolerance for it. Some power supplies can operate on a wide range and some go way out of spec if the power droops by 5-10VAC.
We can give all the explanations and rationale we want. He's clueless.
If equal parts of arrogance, condescension and ad hominem guaranteed achieving good sound at shows.........exhibitors would be lining up to hire you as their setup man.
nt
You obviously are clueless about what manufacturers are faced with at shows. No sense in even trying to explain how #$^@$* you sound.
nt
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