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you made an assumption, "original" does not have a standard meaning in the LP world

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In Reply to: RE: Informed ebay seller that LP described as original isn't original and got this interesting reply posted by nutbatter on July 30, 2012 at 21:00:51

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Look up the definition of original and you will see that none of the definitions apply to this situation. There is no standard meaning of original that pertains to LPs.

You assumed it was first pressing but the seller never stated that it was.

Original means it is not a copy. Like if you bought an original cassette tape it would mean a factory produced tape, not a copy made of that original. In this case original has no clear meaning. I suppose the closest you could come with an LP would be the original master acetate but that really doesn't apply here either.

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"Original" DOES have a standard meaning and a very clear understanding in the LP world... - musetap 08:50:21 07/31/12 (5)
which is that an original pressing is just that, not a re-issue or later pressing but the original or first commercial release of a record,
usually determined by catalog number, label configuration, matrix, etc.

It represents the difference between the price of an original Blue Note 1568 and a later issue.

I don't know what LP world you are involved in, but by your definition it seems to have no connection to the one I've been involved in for 35 years.

"One this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" - Michael McClure
- you seem to be in the minority, or at least there is enough to say your take on it isn't universal - bwb 10:53:11 07/31/12 (3)
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  You're not dealing with the LP world, you are dealing with the eBay world.
  
  If the seller thinks that any record is original then it is. His definition is as good as anybody's. In the eBay world you are quite foolish to assume anything.
  
  If you want a first pressing then you are foolish to assume that somebody else means that when they say original. That was just proven by this post.
  
  From the responses it looks like many agree with me.
  
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  - So, should read: you made an assumption, "original" does not have a standard meaning in the eBay world?...N/T - musetap 12:05:44 07/31/12 (0)
    N/T
    "One this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" - Michael McClure
  - You're correct - mt10425 11:19:20 07/31/12 (1)
    No one in the eBay world should be trusted. There's more integrity in the vinyl world.
    
    "Apparently, people now believe that mental telepathy is the foundation of communication and magic is the source of daily events. Consequently, we no longer have to participate in our own lives."
    - Even if they are trustworthy they may be ignorant - bwb 11:48:26 07/31/12 (0)
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      Many people are selling records who have no idea how to grade them or even know what grading means. Doesn't make them a crook, just have no knowledge of the process.
      
      In any case, it is a crap shoot there.
      
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- Agree - mt10425 10:05:45 07/31/12 (0)
  Semantic manipulation of common understanding.
  
  "Apparently, people now believe that mental telepathy is the foundation of communication and magic is the source of daily events. Consequently, we no longer have to participate in our own lives."
RE: you made an assumption, "original" does not have a standard meaning in the LP world - Biff 07:04:20 07/31/12 (1)
So when someone says "original pressing" to you, you take it as meaning it's not a bootleg or counterfeit? That's a stretch.
- RE: you made an assumption, "original" does not have a standard meaning in the LP world - bwb 10:55:15 07/31/12 (0)
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  I don't take it to mean anything. If it is important to me I would ask the seller what they meant. In the world of eBay assuming anything is foolish.
  
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