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In Reply to: RE: Abbey Road MFSL - disappointed posted by zutroye on June 25, 2012 at 20:20:07
My fingers are complaining about what I am typing. Original MoFi LPs are cut differently. In fact many LPs are cut differently...not just MoFi. In the case of original regular weight MoFi LPs you have to play them back as if you were spinning a 180-200gm LP.
If you play these back with your rig setup the normal way the resulting sound will be muddy and the bass over accentuated.
When played back properly the Beatles LPs are very good with some of them outstanding. Abbey Road is one of those outstanding. The best of the MoFi Beatles LPs are:
1) Sgt Peppers on UHQR
2) Let It Be
3) Beatles For Sale
4) Revolver
5) Abbey Road
6) Sgt Peppers on standard weight vinyl
7) The Beatles (White Album)
Also...please note that I own the UK Blue Box (BC-13) and the MoFi The Beatles, The Collection. I prefer the MoFi box because its vocals are much more realistic and the LPs sound less processed. Some years ago I spent considerable money comparing Beatles pressings and I like the MoFi stuff very much. The best pressing of Abbey Road is the original UK Apple pressing...if you can find a good one. The MoFi pressing is also very good. I also own an original UK Abbey Road (without Her Majesty on the back cover) and the MoFi sounds less processed.
Less processing on a LP is a mixed bag. Many times a master tape requires some processing (peak limiting, compression, equalization, etc) to make it sound a bit more exciting or to make the program content fit on the lacquer. This processing comes at a cost and sometimes the vocals are effected. The MoFi Beatles pressings are a prime example of LPs where the master tape got less processing and the resulting LPs are sometimes considered less desirable due to this fact.
Ed
We don't shush around here!
Life is analog...digital is just samples thereof
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Thanks for all of the great feedback.
Ed,
Sorry to get your fingers all riled up. I did some searching before I posted, and wasn't able to come up with a definitive answer. I'll play around with some settings tonight to see if I can make that MoFi sing. I'll also do some research wrt setup for 180 gram vinyl. I really don't want to have to mess with too much when I switch records. Hopefully I can find a one size fits all setup.
In the case of original regular weight MoFi LPs you have to play them back as if you were spinning a 180-200gm LP.
Play with the VTA ?
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
nt
We don't shush around here!
Life is analog...digital is just samples thereof
Why would you mess with the VTA while playing a disc that's not thicker than your average LP? To offset the "smiley face" EQ perhaps? Seems to me you would be lessening the bass (good thing, maybe) while increasing the treble even more (assuming you're raising the back of the tonearm).The MoFi "Abbey Road" sounds great to me, as does "Rubber Soul." I'm not as impressed with the MoFi White Album, however.
Edits: 06/26/12
If your average disc is 180-200g then Lucky You! My average disc is a a good deal thinner than the 180-200g discs. By raising the VTA a few mm, I think that he is saying that you get a better balance in the response by eliminating extra bass from tail dragging with exotic diamond tips(only conical and elliptical diamonds are sort of immune to VTA).
I found this to be true if the cartridge is sensitive to VTA. I definitely had to do this when I was using a Talisman S.
Dave
...very rig dependent.
With the set-up I am currently using (Denon DL-S1 cartridge with Technics EPA-250 arm) minor changes in VTA provide no audible differences or benefits that I can discern.
However, if I make a large adjustment, in either direction, I can make the the sound worse in a variety of ways.
I am quite happy that it has worked out that way ...because fiddling with VTA all the time to find the sweet spot is not something I want to do.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
I can't hear much of a difference on the Technics. With the Thorens it seems more pronounced (and is a lot more difficult to adjust). I generally set it and forget it.
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