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In Reply to: RE: Problems with jazz vinyl, new and used... posted by learsfool on May 28, 2012 at 21:32:36
Passive-aggressive much?
Most of the responses here seem pretty valid to me and offer a rational way of figuring out what the root cause is. Just saying there are crappy records out their is a pretty pat and weak answer with a typical, yet unecessary, stab at "audiophiles". I can think of a lot more labels that put out well recorded albums than just the three mentioned. With so many factors to consider, the sensible thing to do is due diligence. What's the other choice? Trash a bunch of LP's that may have nothing wrong with them? There's a solution. (roll eyes)
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Hi WOStantonCS100 - certainly there was no intent to be passive-aggresive in my post, frankly I fail to see how you read it that way. I do not agree that it is a contentious statement. It is certainly not name-calling - aren't we all audiophiles on this site???
The intent of the statement was in fact to be humorous, and obviously you didn't find it so. Perhaps the attempt at humor was lame. There's a reason I'm a musician and not a writer, as I like to say. Also, my post did not say that any of the posts with technical suggestions were wrong (there were some great suggestions for checking, as you pointed out), I was merely pointing out that since the OP has already run test records and everything checked out fine, this would seem to argue for a bad recording, then. There are indeed many folks out there who are all too ready to find fault with their equipment where none exists, as many equipment makers would attest. I am not attacking these folks, I am trying to help.
Your post, on the other hand... A little aggressive.
Edits: 05/29/12
"...if I had a dollar for every audiophile that assumed... ..." = contentious
C. No flames, personal attacks or contentious off-topic comments: The idea is to make this a pleasant environment to discuss audio, not a schoolyard, or name-calling and rock-throwing festival.
Dance around that one all you want; but, the statement was unnecessary and contentious. And, yes, it was met head on. Speak to people like you would speak to them IN PERSON and most forum head-butting goes away, quickly.
Your post... ...a little worthless. :-)
Maybe I misinterpreted your post. If so, my apologies.
Perhaps it was all a misunderstanding... shake hands... bow to your neighbor... moving on. :)
I don't think there was any aggression in his answer. Plus, he may be right.
For my first foray into vinyl years ago, I had patiently collected 70ish records. I had no experience whatsoever. I played them and at worst they sounded like crap, at best no better than a bad CD. I returned the turntable thinking it wasn't good enough.
There IS a lot of mediocre software out there, in fact, most of what's out there is mediocre and it's a possibility the OP should consider.
Then I learnt to discriminate between labels, pressing, etc, etc... and all is fine now. But I can safely say that picking 100 random LPs on the market today and playing them even on a good TT might not convince everyone of the superiority of analogue.
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YOUR posts are not passive-aggressive. :-) And, I agree with you on the possibilities. The only way to know for sure is to take the time to find out, do the tests.
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