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I was posting over on AK in a nonsensical (but fun) thread on new year's resolutions when someone posted about finally thinning his collection of vintage monster receivers...and I responded half jokingly that MY resolution was to finally get one and how much etc etc...Well, I know two guys that are keeping their new year's resolutions!
I just forked over a fair price for an all-original Yamaha CR-2020 and in a few days it will arrive (we hope in one piece) at my doorstep. Of course, it needs all the service bulletin work done and probably all the usual capacitor upgrades, which I will start doing immediately.
It will be the centerpiece of my vintage system currently a Denon PMA-750. Thiel 04a speakers and a Sony PS-X5 turntable.
I think eventually I will upgrade the turntable to either something higher up on the vintage scale or a new SL1200.. time will tell.
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I have 4 of those beauty's, have you done any crossover upgrades,
or are you bi-amping?. Mine are still stock, not using them at the
moment, but will get to it soon.
at the moment. I have had difficulty understanding the babelfish translations from Japanese concerning crossover modifications. They still sound fantastic without touching anything, but I do have the owners manual if I ever decide to modify. These were a lucky find at Salvation Army back when 70s vintage gear was still showing up for cheap.
I was lucky also @ $50. ea. in mint cond. 10 yrs. ago. The caps
are over 50 yrs. old, so I'd get those replaced asap, maybe the coils
later. You risk blowing the tweeter horn at least, and as far as I know,
zero diaphragms avail. Caps (electrolytic) can double in value when they go bad, so...
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and woofer circuits? The modification article seems to be saying to use a polypropylene cap in both circuits and to bypass the tweeter cap with a .1uF polypropylene cap as well. The language about magnetic leads on the electrolytic caps has me totally confused.Thanks for scaring me into the cap replacement, as I would not want thse horn tweeters destroyed.
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I'd do at least the minimum quality...Daytons (Parts Express) or
Solens. I'm thinking Daytons myself. I don't know which caps might
use magnetic (plated steel?) leads, but best avoided I'd think.
Not as important to use film caps on woofer, but may as well.
You want 10% tolerance as a minimum.
I hear both arguments about bypass caps, pro and con. May or
may not make any audible gains.
Back in the day I was in the biz and we usually paired that receiver with a pair of ADS L710, L810, L1230, Allison Ones, Twos or Threes, the JBL L166, B&W DM-7 or the Yamaha NS-1000.
I'm sure it will sound great with many other vintage speakers as well.
Its a fantastic piece.
Congrats.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
Congrats on the receiver.
In speakers are you wanting vintage? In something new you might look at the Revel Concerto series, a set of KEF LS50's, JBL has a 70th anniversary 4312 out, but not sure the price or what your WAF would be on those.
Might be a little piercing on the Thiels, though.
all the best,
mrh
I love the idea of going out on a hunt again for new speakers. The Thiels are nice but sometimes struggle when I'm in a heavy metal high-volume mood. I even notice that spirited piano compositions like Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody #2 will make them cry uncle at "correct volumes".
I''m not knocking them, I spent a lot of time and money restoring them and am still amazed at how low that 5 something inch woofer can go, but like cubic inches, there's no replacement for displacement. Now that I have 100 wpc to play with I would love to get some recommendations for a floor stander that can handle it. WAF requirements are active as this is the "visible by all visitors" system.
My friend George Mix in Richland WA in the 80's used to sell lot of those pretty silver Yammies, often with Polk Monitor Series-- the S-10 being the mainstay. These sounded a bit warm, something of a bass hump, but played loud and clean on rock music.
I might explore the upper regions of the Polk arsenal- Monitor 12's maybe? One friend had the largest Polk "SDA SRS" monsters, about 6 ft tall with a dozen drivers, actually sounded damn fine. Check out this fanpage below.
Another choice from maybe bit later that sounded nice were the Vandersteens. You can pick up an original Model 2 on CL for a song, occasionally. Easy to replace drivers. Very nice sounding speakers but ones that definitely sound better the more current you feed them.
Trying to remember what I heard that worked well with Yamaha electronics. First thing that came to mind was the Yamaha NS-690, a 12" 3 way. Also, the NS-670 with a 10".
Jerry
Kef's 103.2's right?
Allison Ones (or Twos or Threes).
I have used mine with Allison Ones and thought the combination dandy.
ads L-710s (or most of the classic ads loudspeakers) would be fine, too.
... and that era of Yamahas always worked well with the early Polk Audio Monitor Series loudspeakers.
all the best,
mrh
No wonder why I cant find any good vintage Yamaha stuff....YOU have it all! Great looking setup!
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reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
Wow that's an amazing stack of gear ya got there.
Must be fun during play time over at your house!
I don't share that much since it's the low-rent side of the tracks, you know?
all the best,
mrh
my brother had to replace the output devices on his Yammie receiver (CR-1020?) multiple times using that speaker.
Go figure.
We were just going to pull your audiophool card, but I guess we'll wait until you get the yammie.
No really that is a real jewel of a receiver. I had one for about two years. And that was in my rapid high speed audio trading days.
Not only is that a wonderful piece but one of the most stylish pieces I've ever seen. Invest the money and have it professionally restored. It really is worth it. One of the few vintage pieces that maintained a natural open sound but still had those 70's balls!
I'm excited about it.
I've wanted one of these things since I used to drool over them when I was but a tot of 9 or 10 back in 1977. I remember the price back then was about the same as my father paid for a 1963 4 door Mercury Comet that was the family car, so that wasn't going to happen.
Now it's time!
Yeah, I know that drool! I used to go to Newmark and Lewis in the late 60's early 70's and drool over the Marantz stereos. But like you said, where is a kid going to get that much money!
If I was going back into receivers I would get a Marantz 2275 (even thou it's a later model than the 2270) and a Yamaha CR-2020.
Are you going to have any restoration work done on it?
Oh yes. I'm going to have it gone through and updated/upgraded. The seller is including the service bulletins for the power switch resistors and two or three other factory recommended procedures and the service manual along with the user manual.In addition, I'm looking for a local guy that will go through and replace the old electrolytic capacitors and check the bias, etc.
This is one case where vintage isn't really a bargain, but still a great value. Cosmetics seem "minty" in the pics, but I'm a freak and I always try to restore things to "as new" so in the end I will probably end up spending right about what it is going for in tip top shape anyway.
So why not buy one that's already restored and in tip top shape? Because that's no fun and I feel it's important to preserve these things for future crazy people.
This will add one more "survivor" to the pile. I put that in quotes because in classic cars a survivor is a car that remains in untouched pristine "from the factory" condition and is often used as a reference for a 100 point restoration. In this case, I guess a classic receiver like this can be used to get information to get another one working again.
In any case, I will document the work in detail so others can benefit.
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Please do some research first on who and how it's restored. Go over to the Audiokarma's Marantz forum and look up Bob Speece (wlhd1610) At least email him first before you do any "surgery" on it. He did my Marantz 250M and is very knowledgeable on vintage transistors, relays, etc..... He's like the Mike Samra of SS vintage gear.
He's highly recommended in my book for SS vintage.
Thank you! I will!
It's going to be hard to resist the temptation to just listen to it for a while! But I may do just that at least for a few days...
Being very careful not to flick that power switch too hard!
Sounds great. From what I see of that Sony TT it's no slouch.
Not at all. I tried the Goldring GX1012 on it and was amazed. The only thing now is that as expected, the unobtanium neon light that shines on the speed indicator is on and off intermittently. However, when it IS working it's pretty clear the speed is dead-on and that it takes less than the blink of an eye to go from 33 to 45. The motor must have enough torque to drive a 69 Plymouth.
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