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I wouldn't be able to listen to a lot of music in my collection.
Case in point; I put on Boston's second album "Don't look back" this afternoon and literally shot out of my chair to turn the treble down - way down!
The producer had to have been deaf - Think jamming a scratch awl, center punch, or knitting needle in your ears.
I know tone controls get a bad rap (more so on other areas of the Asylum), but without them, about 25% of what I listen to would simply not be enjoyable.
Thoughts.......
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
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:-)You can change the tonal balance of the whole sound, from subtly onwards.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Edits: 02/18/16
check this out
http://www.tonelux.com/tilt.html
might do the trick
Thanx Bill
:-)
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
I was kinda wondering bout that?
Thanx Bill
Agreed. Would like to see tilt controls be more common. I wonder what would be involved in building an outboard one.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
Don't know if it would suit SS pre-ampsClick below, and here's the article.
http://tubecad.com/2013/08/blog0267.htm
I have recently had the line-stage gain in my valve pre increased, and hope that it now has plenty of gain to spare.
A tilt of +/- 1.5 and 3db should be enough for most recordings.
Got my fingers crossed it suits electrically, size-wise should be fine.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Edits: 02/21/16
Pretty cool. This would likely work for me, except for the fact that I'm running a passive 1st order LLXO HP setup for my biamped Maggies. Otherwise...
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
:-)
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
I just finished remastering Boston, and Rumors this weekend - transferring Vinyl to bits... Boston was edgy - I didn't remember that. I used a -3dB shelf filter at 2kHz. Rumors was the other way. 5kHz +3dB boost. A/B'd the Rumors with the remastered Fleetwood Mac box set I have and my new mix is much more involving.
With my new Izotope RX and Ozone i'm down to about 3 hours a remaster vs 6 hours for my old tools (Goldwave). Still is tedious, and I usually get completely distracted if I revisit the vinyl on my stereo system first - before remastering.
At this rate, I'll have to live to be 110 to finish my LP transfers (50 years)
"The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat" - Confucius
I don't know if the original "Don't Look Back" was tipped up, edgey, or just not balanced - bass shelved down.
All I know is that it was piercing to say the least. Thankfully I just cut the treble and it was ok.
Living to be 110 - Sheesh!
I eat bacon and pastries in hopes that I don't come close to 110 or the nursing home. Give me 85 - 88 and let me fall off the riding mower.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
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Doesn't seem that anyone has mentioned MY best use for tone controls. I leave a boost in both bass and treble fixed. I switch tone controls 'in' late at night to act as a poor-mans LOUDNESS CONTOUR.
Too much is never enough
Simple bass and treble controls have not been much use to me. My Nak 410 pre has them that range plus and minus 9db. I leave the controls flat.
"Case in point; I put on Boston's second album 'Don't look back' this afternoon and literally shot out of my chair to turn the treble down - way down!"
The times I listened to Boston's "Don't Look Back", I thought it was a very good sounding album...... Better sound than the original album..... It even sounds good on YouTube........ (It sounds a lot better straight from the vinyl.)
Since I got my Yamaha C2x, which has fabulous tone controls, I would not be without them. Even a subtitle change can make a huge difference, like in 6-eye classical recordings.
Dave
I find a lot of my older disks need a bit of help, often a slight boost in the highs (Gongs 'You' for instance). It seems that when the CD was made from the old tapes, the highs had self erased to some degree. Steve Hillage 'Fish Rising' suffers a bit from this as well. Nothing wrong with tone controls in my opinion. Switch them out when not needed, if they bug you.
if it's the same group I'm thinking of. Fluid percussions , great guitar work topped by excellent Xylophones...
good stuff!
Optimistic.
99% of my vinyl/CD's sound best with a little correction, 25 % of them need larger correction with my 10 bands equalizer.
Almost all vinyl pre 1960, mono, never need any adjustments.
How come ????????
...are volume (off), power (off) or skip.
I lived in Boston when the first album came out. I've been sick of them ever since.
I'm not saying they aren't good ...I just can't listen to them.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
I was going to school at Temple University in Philly at the time. Boston and Bruce Springsteen were constantly being blasted in the dorms at all hours. Even though I liked Bruce Springsteen before I went to Temple, I quickly got sick of both. Since then, I now am able to appreciate Bruce, but Boston still makes me cringe. Oh well!
Dave
Being in Boston when that album came out ...well, you couldn't escape it.
In the dorms it was being played all the time. It was huge with the radio stations.
I was working audio at the time and everyone looking for a system came in with that record in hand (as if we wouldn't be smart enough to have it).
I didn't like them from the get-go and its only gotten worse.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
I hear what your saying about Boston. I have a similar response when Journey is played.
The past few years I have discovered a lot of "B side" music I missed the first time around on many popular rock LP's.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
Fortunately, I have tweeter level controls on the U1s and Advents.
I do, however, use parametric EQ on the HT's processor to tame two room modes located around 100 hz.
I have a pretty good dedicated room with a good mix of absorb tion and diffusion. This particular problem can be placed at the feet of mid 70's through early 90's rock producers who for some unknown reason insisted on un-natural treble levels. I thought the problem may have been LP related, but nope, the CD was worse yet. I put on Dire Straits Brothers In Arms - Bingo! Back to near perfect.
I could be that a lot of rock record producers received their electronics training in the military during the Korean and Vietnam War era, and we're deaf above 8 khz - dunno???
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
Remember they typically mixed for crappy car radios with sub-standard speakers, therefore a boost in treble.
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Edits: 02/10/16
Some of those recordings need base boost too.
Dave
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a microphone windscreen. :)
That makes sense to me, because that's exactly what I heard.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
No you're supposed to change your cartridge to one less bright. Well really you should have a table with two or three arms and carts. Then to really fine tune the sound tube roll the phono and linestage tubes.
ET
You're supposed to change inter-connects or re-arrange the room treatments after every album.
The universe is made of electrons, protons, neutrons, and morons.
Yep, I forgot about those.
ET
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"It would take me forever. I don't think I have forever" (Byrd 2015)
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