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I have the idler wheel from a Automatic Type A.
All the rubber seems pretty good except the contact surface (on the drive pulley) which is glassy hard. The hard stuff seems pretty thin, and the surface is flat (not broken).
Is this something that a Rubber Renew product might work on or better to just get new wheel? ($28 VM Audio).
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I have had excellent results with "Re-grip" by Rawn.
Brake fluid works for me. I am recapping an RCA 45EY-2 record player. They are notorious for slipping when dropping records so I figured while it is apart I would look into a new rubber idler and the eccentric cam rubber but changed my mind after trying brake fluid. The rubber was glazed shiny and hard and bound to slip. After cleaning and wiping the surfaces a couple times I painted a heavy dose of brake fluid on with a q-tip and let it soak over night. Next day the rubber is supple and flexible, has traction against my thumb and much like new. After wiping it off and setting for another day it's even better.
Well almost ... new stylus coming (existing worn to knub, something to behold!) ... new idler wheel would help (a lot).
(hint,hint)
I doubt it is a good idea, contains 2-Butoxyethanol, a solvent (for paint, etc.) Seem to work well on restoring idler wheels because it mildly dissolves the rubber allowing the surface to be rubbed away (refresh surface) ... then again some idler wheels, like mine (50 yrs of neglect) are too far gone, but did get it back in good enough condition for temporary use.
Anyway I'd be worried about it melting/dissolving the vinyl.
nt
Thanks, but I still wouldn't recommend, I tried some of those things and besides being nasty to work with just didn't seem to be worth it for all they [don't] do. And you'll want to really rinse thoroughly to be safe.
I use a stuff called OCRVC from a guy in Australia ...search Vinyl Asylum if interested.
to possibly eliminate people's internet guesswork and provide some real facts. I do use 10% isopropyl alcohol in my record cleaning solution, but I do not use any of the other chemicals listed on that chart. Acetone would be a vinyl killer! I also read elsewhere that the plasticizer in vinyl does not combine chemically with the PVC compound and is soluble in alcohol. So one has to be very cautious with alcohol in record cleaning fluids.
Wow, my RCM rinse step (after Olly's done with microfibre cloths) is 1/3 Isopropyl alcohol/distilled water. I obviously have no fear of Isopropyl ;)
nt
It is called Awesome cleaner and it truly is AWESOME! I use this on pinch rollers and idler wheels and you get it from the dollar store but I assure you that there is nothing better for softening the rubber and removing the hardened glaze on the rubber. You spray it on to the rag and then you go to work cleaning the wheel..You will see the dirt come off and you keep going until it quotes blackening the towel..It usually takes two or three times.
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I use that cleaner all the time on my floors and counters. I will now try it for rubber.
Thanks for the heads up
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The same place we get it in the States,a place called The Dollar Tree.
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Put the wheel back, nothing oiled, but here the table performs the complete return cycle, almost stops but makes it. Prior it required much finger spinning to complete. It can drop a record too.
(doesn't stop at end because I used hair tie to disable the brake ... nicer when servicing I find)
Oiling idler wheel and bearing will help bu why so weak --- idler still too hard? Other adjustments ... guess I have to RTFsM.
Thanks again.
I have a Type A too. It is the smoothest, quietest idler that I have ever seen. My auto functions are gummed up. What is the best stuff to clean it with. I was going to lube with sewing machine oil. I that what is recommended?
That is a strange looking headshell. It looks like the Bakelite headshell on my fathers RC80 (which I still have). Type A headshells are all over eBay and relatively cheap, if you are interested. Maybe the Bakelite sounds better?
Dave
only "... fine grade of machine oil; that used for sewing machines is suitable."
Pretty certain the manual is available for download from Vinyl Engine. I would suggest you get it because there are only a few points that are oiled, motor bearing [top], spindle bearing, and idler wheel bearing. It adds that the bottom motor bearing only occasionally is oiled.
All the other joints/elbows/etc. are not oiled.
On mine the main gear beneath the spindle seems dirty. I will clean with alcohol and possibly Deoxit.
Thanks! Will do! I think this one was well maintained. It spins very smoothly.
Dave
I just purchased machine oil at a local sewing/fabric shop. I have the manual for the Garrard and will look to see if they specify oil to be used and report back.
Just took some work
and that way it will soften up after you wipe it down..You just have to keep working at it.
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This wheel is pretty dry on the edge. In addition to cleaning with LA Awesome I have been using the edge of a scissors. Discovered LA A disolves the fine rubber shavings so that's how it works.Decided nothing to lose working it and so far seems to be going fine, scissors edge twice, and still hard.
Next a bath in cloth submerged completely in LA Awesome ... 2 hours ... very good result, rubs clear black lines into cloth ... a little more scissors edge (not much) ... back in bottle for submerged soak, no cloth ... 1 1/2 h should do it.
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and then rub and clean it..Did you get the Awesome cleaner already?
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