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In Reply to: RE: The Whole HK Citation II Craze posted by geezerrocket on December 07, 2014 at 21:31:18
In my opinion(mine only probably) you are more than correct in your assumptions but that doesn't take away from the fact that a Mcshane modded, Samra modded. Sachs modded, or for that matter, any modded piece of gear that one would think is improved upon is the same as the original. If it is better by changing parts values(as in some RIAA circuits) or adding capacitance where it wasn't before, then it isn't the same. If you change parts values it isn't the same even if it makes it better. Making something better than original takes the originality of it and changes it. Changing parts to the original values because of age or just plain not doing its job is keeping the original integrity of the gear amd making it operate the way it was intended.
Just because it still says Dynaco, HK, Marantz on the chassis doesn't make it so but it is easier to say something of the past is modded so many think it is the original but better
Like a vintage vehicle. If you upgraded the electrical, motor, interior, or whatever else you can think of, is it really the same as original or is it better? Probably better but not original.
Just my thoughts!
With all that said HK Deuce is really good but is it the end of the road? Only the listener can decide. It has a whole new life because of these people that can take a good sounding whatever and make it sound better.
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As long as the circuit isn't changed then adding capacitance, changing parts quality is sort of upgrading not truly modifying as in some Dynaco mods where the actual circuit topology is changed and the amp is not really a Dynaco any more. And how would you listen to a 'stock' Citation today. You have to upgrade tons of parts to replace parts that have badly deteriorated.
Hegeman's design violates many modern "rules". IIRC, he uses triple nestled feed back loops. Modern designs go for zero FB designs. My guess is given parts variance of the time and being a kit with variable construction, it made for guaranteed performance
When MFA stripped off their OT. They built 120 monoblocks with them.
As long as the parts being changed goes back to the original value all is good. Adding UF's and resistor changes of different values does change the way the operation of the unit is which is different from stock. How much? Will it sound better? Maybe!
Consider teflon's and many other plastics were not available when the cit II was developed. No 6N wire either. 1% resisters, fat chance.
A citation circuit is still very viable when parts are simply upgraded. In fact the vast majority of tube designs are very old. Strange how many desire NOS tubes, too.
Yeah we got FR type solid state rectifiers. S/S regulators, but many still embrace the older tube technology (ever look at a Grommes 260 or Altec 340?)
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