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In Reply to: RE: Have you considered listening to the music? posted by briggs on May 25, 2014 at 08:57:46
The Heresys somewhat surprised me, also. It can sound good with the right electronics and has the advantage of opening up nicely at low volume levels that is an advantage in an apartment. At levels it seems many others love playing them at they are irritating screeched. My average listening levels permits polite discussion and slightly louder. Years ago, I learned to keep the average levels down so the dynamics do not start compressing that can start to happen well before the advertise power rating is reached.
Don Brian Levy, J.D.
Toronto ON Canada
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Those little suckers are ridiculously good within their frequency and dynamic limitations, and will benefit from the best amplification you can muster. In 1972-ish I sold hifi, and we could put the (Braun) L-300s up against pretty much anything; their midrange truth always came through.
I have a pair driven by an old BGW 100B. They still make me smile, and occasionally give goosebumps. BGW amps, btw, are still very good if recapped, and can often be had for a song. Many are still in use in some pretty great studios, and for good reason.
The only receiver I was ever really impressed with was the Mac 4100. Donno if it would hold up today, but I suspect it might. I had lots of that beautiful 70's Sony gear, but none of it sounded that good.
And Heresy's can sing with good tube amps. I used Mac 75s, Quicksilvers, various modded Dynas, and VTL Compact 100s - all good. No, you don't need that power, but you do need a good bottom end, as the Heresys don't do much down there and you don't want to take away any more.
WW
"A man need merely light the filaments of his receiving set and the world's greatest artists will perform for him." Alfred N. Goldsmith, RCA, 1922
I bought the L300s new at a time I could have just about any speaker then on the market and at the time I was the controller of a speaker company located in NH. As an employee I had the right to a pair of any model it produced at no cost but opted out and bought the L300s.
At the time I had Cornwalls, KLH Nines, JansZen Z824HPs and a number of other decent speakers in the house so buying the baby ADS really showed how impressed I.was with them. I ran them with a number of amps initially including a Mc MC250, MA5100, MA6100, ARC Dual 51, SAE MK I amongst them. I later paired them with the Sony STR6065 in the office.
While those other speakers long ago left the house, the L300s I have never considered selling off and will keep them even if I decide the Heresys will be the final choice.
The Heresys are a different bag and I have a hate/love relationship with them. They are so amp sensitive it hurts. I think you could go a lifetime of buying amps and never quite get them just right. OTOH, when you can match them and dial them in they can really make nice sound at low to reasonable levels. My Mc system was a washout. The HK 630 a bit better but, not good enough to make me understand why Klipsch lovers praise this series as being so good with them. The power amp section standalone with a good preamp is quite good, though. Especially fond of the AVA SuperPAS3x. Some amps like the ARC D75/76 series got the mid to highend near perfect but for some reason killed any bass. I even tried a double set bridged to no avail. The DYNA SCA35 at 10% of the power of the bridged ARCs did very nicely. The 2 Philips receivers seem to marry the sound of the ARCs and DYNA producing that mid to high range very well without emasculating the bass. The Sony adds a veil denying it that ability to provide the fine detail the speakers can produce. This can be good though in my case. With the Sony, I hear the entire orchestra as an integrated performance as you would at a live performance. With the Philips the Klipsch sound is allowed to shine through but, the cohesiveness of the orchestra is less and I tend to get drawn to the individual instruments and lose sight of the performance as a whole. That is my current dilemma I am dealing with.
The easy way out, of course, would be to stay with the small Philips and ADS speakers but, not ready to give up on the Heresys just yet; I have only owned them since 1988.
Don Brian Levy, J.D.
Toronto ON Canada
Brian,
One of the more interesting threads in years. It is also reminiscent of my own situation. Slightly over 20 years ago we moved to a condominium. And although it is 2200 sq. ft. on one floor; my "man cave" is relatively small. In the house, I had a good sized, sound treated room in the basement with a pair of Infinity RS2.5's in an active bi-amped set up with the Infinity electronic crossover. Lovely system; but no way was that going to work in the condo. So, in the condo; speakers larger than Advents are not suitable.
Now, I like to tinker, and have been trying this and that for years, aided by a 61 band (1/6 octave) RTA and calibrated microphone. The end result is a pair of original Advent replica cabinets with original Advent (Masonite ring)woofers, and a pair of New Advent tweeters with a very basic crossover. Electronics are all Rotel with an RB1050 dual mono power amp, RTC-940 tuner-preamp, and an RCD-971 CD player. Not tiny, and no phono; but the floors here are like trampolines, so a turntable would be difficult to work with, and there's no space for my 800 LP's - so it's all CD's now. The end result is the pair of Advent cabinets on 15" stands, the Rotel stack, and about 500 CD's.
OK, there has to be a point here. One thing I found, is that what worked in my basement (post Infinity) didn't sound right in my den. The room size and acoustic had a profound effect on my perceptions. I had planned on using a pair of JBL L-110's in the den, along with an Adcom power amp and tuner preamp and an Onkyo CD player based on auditioning in my basement before we moved. Wrong! It all sounded terrible in the condo. That set me off on a 19 year odyssey that was never quite right. At least not until I went back to basics and decided to try a modern emulation of the A25 - leading me to the present Advent hybrids. However, they are tailored specifically to the room and electronics. They measure very well in my room; but have not been tried elsewhere.
I did note with interest, your comments on one of your amps having less integration and giving a different sound stage, so you listened to the individual instruments and not to the orchestra as a whole. One of my amps is an NAD C350 integrated amp. Compared to the Rotel gear, it has a very similar sound; but the imaging is very different, sounding like a mono system with no width - everything is in the center. I measured channel separation in the mid-band at 23 dB in the preamp. It gets lower at higher frequencies. A later NAD C320BEE gives a very good soundstage and is very much like the Rotel.
Best of luck with your downsizing.
Jerry
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