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In Reply to: RE: Read it again..I changed it. posted by vinnie2 on March 02, 2014 at 04:47:29
I would like to think that common sense would prevail in this case to answer that question.If the output of 1khz and 10khz sine waves start looking like square waves when they start to clip,I would say that is excessive.
When the the snare drum has no snap and the bass drum sounds like the skin is very loose,I would say that is excessive.When vocals are fuzzy and sopranos come apart on the higher octaves,I would say that is excessive.
People have become oblivious to correctness until they get a good set head phones,like a pair of Stax ESLs and then they are all of a sudden hearing music for the first time as it should be..With headphones, you don't deal with room acoustic issues and if you gave a good clean amp,it will take you on a journey as you have never been.
Honest amplification is better than excessive 2nd order distortion anytime.
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Ah, here we go again with the numbers. Numbers will tell you that a bumble bee really should not be able to fly, but no one told the bumble bee and he just goes about his merry way. Numbers are not the whole story by a long shot and tend to load the listening deck for some people I think. They say
"my instruments say this should sound great" and so they hear it as sounding great. The only fair comparison is a blind a/b test of two systems side by side in the same environment and with the same music source. Then what you will get is a bunch of different opinions of which system sounds best because people hear things differently.
Why I use ESL headphones especially for critical listening or comparing pieces.
Don Brian Levy, J.D.
Toronto ON Canada
I hear ya..I use some koss which are electrocondenser type and the sound great but are no ESLs.
Honest amplification is better than excessive 2nd order distortion anytime.
And with headphones you boys are setting up a contrived listening situation that is not anywhere near the same thing as listening to music in a hall or even in a room.
Once again we get back to that age old argument that really can only be answered by each person for their own taste, and that is which is most important, the numbers I read on instruments or the information my ears tell me? For me I always have and always will put more faith in what my ears tell me.
Vinnie
I'm not disputing what you are saying however,headphones can emulate a much closer resemblance to the original recording because you have eliminated the one variable which is the difference in rooms.When listening to headphones,you are listening to the summation of everything including the room because that all goes into the original recording and the headphones are simply playing it back as it hears it.
Honest amplification is better than excessive 2nd order distortion anytime.
Then why do recording engineers listen to monitor speakers instead of headphones?
They do both but many are just going for a typical listening environment of more real world systems.
Honest amplification is better than excessive 2nd order distortion anytime.
My point exactly!
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