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I've seen some so called NOS Empire 2000E/III cartridge with GREEN stylus on Ebay, and people been buying them.
I have a NOS Empire 2000E/III with clear stylus, I know that Empire used a color code for their cartridge idenfication.
So who which color is the real 2000E/III?
Also my 2000E/III came with a small gold metal plate and I am not sure what it's for, I don't think it's an adaptor of any kind.
Here are the 2000 series with stylus color:
2000Z gold (and the shank is smaller than the others).
2000E/III clear (no color)
2000E/II blue clear
2000E/I green clear
2000E red clear
2000 smoke clear
So your NOS has the correct stylus.
If somebody is selling the body with any other color stylus, particularly a solid color stylus, the stylus is NOT genuine Empire or is incorrect for that model.
If the little plate you're talking about is not the mounting bracket, it is probably the stylus guard that snaps onto the plastic stylus housing. Earlier models had a stylus without the swing down guard.
Thanks for the info, a seller name Ed Saunder has been selling an Empire 2000E/III body with a what looks to be a solid green stylus (in picture), might have been clear green.
The one I have with clear stylus, the angle of the cantilever seems to be too small, meaning if I set it on the record, the stylus housing would be very close to the record surface, is it the way it was made or the cantilever/suspension is worn from years of just sitting there?
Yup, Ed is not selling them with the original styli. How good they are, I don't know.
I, myself, have never seen an Empire stylus suspension go "bad" except for when some drunk idiot (me) wrecked one back in the seventies :^) The housing is fairly close to the record surface. On both of mine, the diamond is about 1.5 - 2mm away from the bottom surface of the plastic when NOT on a record.
If the little gold deally-O is the stylus guard, it should have two little "hooks" sticking out that "clip" into the bottom of the plastic, a bulge on the largest surface to make room for the stylus, and two little bulges on the front that snap over two bumps on the front of the plastic.
Yes, on that little gold plate, I figured out how the two holes on the plate fit into the two "bumps" on the plastic housing, but looks like the two hooks have busted off the plate, so there's nothing to clip onto the bottom of the housing, oh well....
The diamond looks to be OK under my X10 loupe, the cartridge does look new and never used.
You cannot tell if a stylus is good with an x10 loupe. I was a turntable technician for Myer-Emco in the 80's. Checking stylus wear requires training skill, and some very expensive equipment. I have the correct microscope but I can't afford the fiber optic lights ($300 surplus) yet.
I, of course, meant that earlier runs of the models had no swing down guard.
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