What type/brand of internal speaker wire is preferably. I am using all wireworld cables and interconnecton Spendors and I was wondeing if Wireworld would be prefereable to use internally or is there something else more appropriate? Right now the speakers are wired with generic OFC. I use a 845 SET
Matching your internal speaker wire to the external speaker wire is always a good safe plan. As has been reported in the past, there is a vast chasm in the belief of what makes a difference and what doesn't in audio. You are the final arbitrator. Try it and come back and tell us what you think.
A lot of people on this board will disagree, but it does not make much difference what kind of wire you use, within reason. Klipsch used what looks like 18 gauge tin coated copper zip-cord in the Heritage models. The effect of the wire you use to connect components inside the box will have a minimal effect because if is orders of magnitude shorter than the wire in the voice coils and inductors.
This subject has always troubled me. There are tons of wires in every CD player, preamp and amp. There are additional wire components in every speaker crossover coil. Why then should the wire you use to connect your amp to your speakers be so crucial past basic good quality and proper guage? I have tested many things but not wires. As many of you know, side by side testing is a difficult tedious job, requiring real effort. Maybe if some one could just explain why speaker wire becomes more important than all the other wires in the system including wall wires to your outlet.
I agree totally with Malcolm. Most of the hype and fuss about wire type and quality (speaker, hook-up, interconnect and otherwise) is pseudoscience. Think about it: the lengths involved in the typical internal wiring of a piece of audio gear result in resistances so small that only sophisticated laboratory instruments can measure them, and in any case, THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT ON THE SOUND. If there is a difference resistive value between one brand of wire and the next, it is the functional equivalent of inserting a tiny series resistor in the circuit. The time and effort it takes to track down these kinds of minutia would be much better spent elsewhere.
Well, I can't explain the sciense part but I can share my experience.
I build my own passive preamp with 2 variety of silver wire. I have 2 input using 32ga (4N) silver and another 3 input using 20ga silver 5N silver. To my suprise, the 32ga 4N sound better - a lot better. And I am taking about 5 inches long wire. It is clean with all the clearity in every frequency. The 20ga is harsh and bright. Even my wife can tell the different by just walking into the room. If I have the money, I will change my speaker wire to this silver - any time.
To me, changing to a better cable will not make any diffrent if it is not the weakest link in a system. Once you think you have no other thing to tweak, try changing the cable. We come to this forum because we wanted to get the best sound out from our system. Try it and you might get hook.
I agree too, but for a different reason.
If anyone could explain to me why and how, I'm not sure that I would understand anyway! But..
Picture.. a cheap, couple of Dimes, transistor radio. You change all the internal cable (supposing that there is any), for "the utopian" solid silver, mega buck, stuff.
What difference would you expect? I would expect none whatsoever!
Picture.. Well set up, silly money, state of the art, moving coil cartridge,*, Arm, Turntable,*, valve Phono stage,*, treasured single ended valve amp,*, Esoteric speakers, Horn or electrostatic..
All of the ",*,s" are cable. You can use either:
1. Cheap Bell wire, electric kettle flex, etc.
2. Recognised, quality, hifi store hook up cable.
3. Silly money, precious metal, esoteric purpose made cable.
I won't patronize you buy asking, which of the 3 you think would sound worst!
The problem, that most of us have, is that we have a system that, quality wise, lies somewhere in between these two examples. What we want, is the best, but this is usualy compromised by money (budget).
If I was marketing cable I would flatter your system, and build your ego. "What? It doesn't sound as good as the system that you heard at the show, (that cost thousands)"? The only real difference is the cable. Must be the cable! What if you "invested" in some silver plated, pure, oxygen free, etc, cable?
The sad fact: ONE INCH OF CABLE CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE! In the right or wrong place!
Dear Mike S.--
Well, I suppose the point is: can you really devise a test to determine if such differences exist? And if you can, are you willing to accept the lack of empirical evidence (preferably by measurement, so that the results can be repeated by other technicians in other settings) as opposed to conjecture.
The differences in audio system cabling (interconnects, speaker wire) are extremely difficult to track and explain. Most of the "literature" on high-end cable calls on hypotheses that border on pseudoscience. Some high-end products are actually deficient in design (mega-buck cable that introduces a reactive load in the circuit or is susceptible to EMI, for example), but most of it is really psychology. "Jewelry for your stereo"--you paid $1000 for that 1m cable--you just KNOW it's gotta improve the sound.
Thanks, you're a breath of fresh air.
Again I agree with you..
But just one inch can cost $1000
Don't worry about tests..they're for school kids.. we're Tweakers!
You are a tweaker aren't you?
We spend priceless hours searching for the utopian widget, it may just be a type of wire this week.
Who needs evidence..anyway I have some..I have a guaranteed test:
1. "They" found out that cable can make a difference to sound.
2. How did "they" find out that cable makes any difference?
3. Lets call the difference, measurement and empirical evidence, "x".
4. But we don't need it.
5. Take a twisted pair of plastic coated fence wire and hook up your system with it.
6. Listen to it.
7. If it sounds as good as you were previously using:
1. Keep using it.
2. Market it!
3. Try and convince everyone else that it:
2. Sounds better!!!!
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