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In Reply to: RE: I'm almost afraid to jump in.... posted by sk on October 24, 2015 at 05:28:45
"My question, and I'm really trying not to be a dick here, because I have no idea what goes into making these things or how much R&D costs for this stuff, is ..."
You should've just stopped right there. It would behoove you to remember that old adage: don't judge a book by its cover.
Because I have purchased 4 of these (& listened to them extensively over the last week), and I've now ordered 2 more.
These, combined with the Syn Res ART system, and 2 pairs of Shakti Hallographs have produced the best sound I've ever had in this room.
If you read the Stereotimes review, that is EXACTLY what I'm experiencing. I have more air, 3-dimensionality, body, depth of soundstage . . . width; a resonator guitar now just hangs there in the air, with awesome sustain.
Are they worth the price of admission? For me the answer is yes. But I understand that answer depends (largely) on your income bracket . . . like so much in high end audio.
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Having tried them, they do have an effect, improvement, I cant really point as shifting them slightly gives another effect.
Its almost as if like a room treatment where you different placements gives different results.
Im not certain they are at the right position given my room.
I would say they are a world apart from other tweaks for the money. Maybe I need lots more experimentation to get the correct effect.
Took <1 hour to find the correct positioning in my room -- which is DIFFICULT to tame.Don't be afraid to move them around and experiment.
I do not use Dirac live, but a friend has it on his computer & we have measured my room on numerous occasions and this is the best it's ever measured. I'm not saying that is due to the Bybee's, as I have other room tuning devices. I'm right on the verge of pulling the trigger on a Syn Res Black box, which should (hopefully) help tame the bass.
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Did the extra RN's make a difference.
They definately are having some kind of effect for me with staging, yes, maybe more dimensional. It has so
far not blew open the soundstage as I was expecting with just 4 units.
I have have a host of harmonix dots, Stein harmonizer system and diamonds, ipc devices and rr777, synergistic Art and many hft which has turned the boomiest room to sound very nice.
Was everso intrigued with the Synergistic black box which was reported to work well, but cost even more than a full set of Bybee neutralizers. But it is for bass treatment and gave it a miss as its placement is supposed to be where the synergistic bass station currently sits.
Every single room tweak I have has a sonic impact and shifting any by 1cm causes a obvious change to the sonics.
How have you ended up placing the room neutralizers and effect you realised. It is repoted to work well over the equipment as well.
Mention was also made to the effevtiveness of the stein music new blue sun treatment.
Wonder how it compares....
I always remember another adage attributed to P.T. Barnum (he probably didn't even say it) which makes me continue asking questions until I'm satisfied.
One fact that seems to lend credence to at least the cost is that I'm finding that buying pure carbon 13 in amorphous form seems to be expensive. I can only imagine that once acquired, working with it must be a daunting task.
The few people that have been able to sample these things seems completely satisfied as well.
Just like I won't take anything at face value and have little confidence in reviews, I also despise it when tweaks are dismissed out of hand by folks that haven't heard them in person. It happens most often when the tweak in question, like this one, is relatively expensive.
Real world accounts like yours are much more valuable to me. That and the ultra expensive raw material being used are factors that push me towards maybe giving these things a shot.
My listening room is constricted. A converted garage with plenty of height but not enough width (only 10 feet wide). If these things are able to "make the walls fall away" that would be great!
These aren't going to turn a Chevette into a Ferrari.
What other room tuning devices do you have in there currently?
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