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In Reply to: RE: Post Cryo posted by Awe-d-o-file on April 19, 2015 at 14:36:07
No offense, Awe-d-o-file, and I usually don't go here, but if you heard improvements of your cryo'ed objects immediately upon return, I have to believe that any such improvements had to be mind over matter.
Since 2004, I've had maybe 75 100 different objects including IC's, SC's, fuses, outlets, inlets, plugs, wires, PC's, Using both the more popular vapor method and more recently the far less popular but superior full-immersion method and nearly all were good to excellent results.
But I've never had a single cryo experience where the object was better than before immediately upon return and install.
To the contrary, because the metals altered become "as new" again, the object's performance will be compromised and sound worse than before at least until the object has fully burned in once again.
Unless perhaps your cryo vendor isn't actually cryo'ing the objects at all, but maybe doing something funky like putting the objects on a cable cooker or something else.
Simple objects like plugs, connectors, outlets, fuses, etc, take roughly 2 1/2 days of constant use to fully burn in. Cables usually take 5 to 12 days (seems to depend on length and complexity) at most but 5 or 6 days is the more common burn-in period.
If you've received real performance gains immediately upon install I'm suspicious. If you don't receive any other gains in the next week or 2, then I'd have to guess the objects were never cryo'ed in the first place.
Try the razor. If you're a bloody mess, then we know something odd is going on with your cryo vendor. :)
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Some days I hear an improvement using a particular cable. The next day it's crap. Then a few days later it good - then it's not.
The mind plays funny tricks on us.
Any material science engineers to weigh in on the cryo topic?
You mean the mind plays funny tricks on you.
FYI I emailed Jena and never got a response from them. I have no fear about the cryo that I use and have used previously. Thanks for the post. I now have 96 hours of time on the cables that were done. Doing another listen, my second, later tonight. I got some subtle but fairly easily noticeable results in that first listen but did/do hope and expect more in time. That's how it has happened previously for me too.E
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Edits: 04/19/15
If you want me, drop me a note with your email address and I could try reaching out to Jena Labs. But I've not been in contact with them since last July.
It would be well worth having them cryo your objects with the superior full-immersion method.
BTW, if your IC's and speaker cables are burning in together, you're IC's will probably be fully burned in around the 5 1/2 day mark.
But you may hardly notice any difference until the speaker cables are fully burned in days afterward. I stumbled across this purely by accident and then later confirmed with Jena Labs my supposed findings and they said absolutely. Until both are fully burned in, the one often times will act as a performance bottleneck for the other until both are fully burned in.
Anyway, I look forward to a progress update.
To really hear the maximum effect that the cyro had on those cables and wires you need to put them on a cable conditioner like the AudioKHarma unit.
{ audiodharma }Thanks for the mention, David....but our resident expert, Mr. Stehno, already "knows better" than "doing something funky like putting the objects on a cable cooker or something else". Oh!! The horror!!
And of course, our choice of cryogenic vendor is a distant second to Jena Labs, despite our successful treatment(s) over many, many years. We'll never learn....
Edits: 04/20/15
Oh, Alan. You're just upset that I exposed your mind playing tricks on you.
Resident expert? In comparison to you, I suppose you're right.
But you said that, not me.
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