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Lots of claims of items being cryo treated, is there any possible way to verify?
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if you cannot take the vendor at his word on something such as this then find one that you do trust. How do you know the caps you bought are just not crap capacitors with look alike heat shrink jackets? How do you know the tubes you bought are NOS and not new with old style silk screened labels? How do you know the coffee beans you bought really came from where they said the did? How about your shoes and your leather jacket?
There is no easy way for you to know any of these things. I leave to the last that if you are not sure that you can even hear a difference then maybe for you it does not matter and you are wasting your money or simply out of your depth with respect to hands on experience. So maybe have something cryo treated to which you have a reference that is non treated that you can compare to. Build up your level of personal knowledge on the subject. Two digital cables which sound to you identical treat one and listen. If that is too complicated or expensive or whatever just walk away from this.
You will find experts which say cryo works and that it is useful and those who disagree. The fact that mold making companies will on some molds spend tens of thousands of dollars to treat a mold the size of a car sometime 2 -3 time as it is being made must mean they know something or that they are fools but that still tells you nothing. It just goes around in circles. You are the only one who can answer your question to your satisfactions. I hope that this helps. These things tend to go the way of the cable debates. Everyone has an opinion, that and three bucks will get you a grande coffee at Starbucks. Best regards Moray James.
moray james
...of changes in grain structure in metals. The process was done on manufactured metal parts. The before shots showed no alignment in structure and the after had alignment. Some cryogenic outlets would give potential customers a BIC style razor to try that had been processed. They typically lasted three times longer.
I had a high performance engine built for my VW camper bus. I had all the critical engine parts cryoed. The claim from the builder was he went 15K miles without the valves needing adjustment with a treated engine. Anyone familiar the Type IV air cooled engine would be impressed.
"It is better to remain silent and thought a fool, then speak and remove all doubt." A. Lincoln
Very common in all forms of racing. Brake rotors, motors and motor parts, etc. A cast iron motor block typically shrinks 1/4" in all dimensions at 310 below 0F.
Hi, Mike. I was gonna' say, if somebody's cryo'ing valves, they'd better cryo the heads too. And if they cryo the heads, then they'd better do the block, then pistons, then crank, camshaft, bearings, lifters, etc. Otherwise, I speculate an egnine rebuild nightmare.
BTW, thanks for all the cryo'd fuses I've purchased from you.
Thanks for buying the fuses stehno
By prove, do you mean scientifically? Or are you willing to settle for audible confirmation that a "cryo'ed object is sonically superior to an identical non-cryo'd version?
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Cryogenically treating metal changes its crystal structure. The item would probably have to be sacrificed and a metallurgist would have to look at it using a microscope.
"It is better to remain silent and thought a fool, then speak and remove all doubt." A. Lincoln
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no. Perhaps there is some test but I imagine it would require really expensive equipment.
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And perhaps someone with golden ears.
I can't hear the differences, if they exist. Hence I won't pay a premium for cryo.
what you need to do is listen to a thing THEN have it cryo'ed. Then you'll know why everything with metals from razors to engine blocks and parts are cryo'ed with great success and in our hobby sound improvement.
My first experience was with a PS Audio Ultimate outlet. We were dealers and all shook our head in disbelief after having it cryo'ed.
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