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In Reply to: RE: SHOOT-OUT: Stillpoints Ultra SS Footers vs. MSA BlackPod Footers posted by Winston Smith on November 30, 2014 at 02:38:10
Still pushin' Mad Scientist products eh?
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....which is all that really matters: performance vs. price. Low price with high performance equals excellent value, in my book.
Also, note well that I STRONGLY invite comparisons, regardless of outcome. If you don't agree with my findings, PLEASE post your own observations. Otherwise, STFU.
Besides, how many negative reviews have YOU seen about ANY MSA products on any front or forum anywhere? As far as I know, I am not aware of any, nor any returns of any MSA power cords that were ordered. If you are, let me know who, please.
If you are not going to try even ONE of MSA's products (despite all MSA products carrying a "30 day/money back/no questions asked" policy), your remarks are your normal naysaying with absolutely NO experience to support any of your snottiness. In short, your posts are utterly useless, as usual.
I have a policy of NEVER responding to your posts anymore, but this offered me an opportunity to set the record straight by pointing out you have NEVER cited ANY experience with ANY of MSA's products, despite hundreds of inmates here happily buying their offerings, with almost every comment posted by a buyer being VERY positive. Not every single one, but nearly. And that displays a fine record for MSA products, I believe.
More importantly from my own personal perspective, most posts from inmate buyers agree completely with my own observations that I state in my reviews. Again, not every one, of course, but the overwhelming majority seemed to hear exactly what I did and posted similar experiences and findings.
In short, their purchase of MSA products I reviewed made them HAPPY. And THAT makes me happy, very happy indeed. It shows my work in bringing these products to people's attention is having a positive effect in other people's lives. And isn't that what this Asylum is all about: helping one another?
(Not for you, though, and that's obvious.)
I fell for your earlier rave about the MSA power cords, tried one, ended up replacing it with a Pangea I had rewired with Furutech ends. At the price, it wasn't bad, but that's all I can say. And at the price, it's not worth the hassle of returning.
Thanks for chiming in.
Funny you should say that about the Pangea cord. Alan Maher HATED the Pangea cords and always railed against their cheap ends. Maybe that was the problem, bad ends, and your applying the Furus did the trick. Cool!
Thus, if you do not mind, I wanted to know what Furutech ends you employed? I ask because they are my absolute favorite AC terminations to install as well, and I am curious what you liked. I always preferred the plain-Jane FI-11 Cu models, as they ALWAYS gave me the most neutral and natural sounding tonal balance of every type of aftermarket AC connectors I ever tried (Oyaide, Marinco, Wattgate, etc.) AND they were the cheapest of the Furu line, as well, for a real double bonus! (Ooops. I'm not supposed to use exclamation points, as 'excitement' is strictly verboten when describing audio gear and its sonic effects.) ;-)
Another reason I ask is that I decided a while back to remove the stock MSA power cord's AC plug and IEC connector to install the very Furutech ends we are discussing (generally speaking.) It was a VERY nice improvement, but it does add to the cost, of course. Did you try that combo? I found it quite pleasing and a good improvement. Worth the extra cost to me. But the original MSA cords were very nice for the money, at least in my opinion and experience, and they never were 'bad', in any application I tried them in, so they stayed and simply were upgraded with the Furutech ends. Couldn't be happier.
Again, thanks for the post, Dave
I like the Pangeas in general but do prefer the AC-14s reterminated (not that it's easy to reterminate the AC9SEs, obviously). I use the same Furutech FI-11 Cu models that you do.
Bob offered the power cable with a choice of no-termination at the AC connector, which I opted for, and therein lay a problem. When I got it and put the Furutech connector on it, my continuity tester didn't like the result. Seems the red Chinese AC and IEC connectors he uses are labeled "backwards." That is, the L (Line) and N (Neutral) pin indicators are reversed. This doesn't matter if you're using these things on both ends of the cable, but it sure matters if you're just replacing them at one end of the cable. I had a hell of a time trying to explain this to Bob. Eventually I switched wires to the original IEC end -- the one that came with the cable -- and all was well. Should have used the Furutechs on BOTH ends and probably will.
The cable is currently linking my deHavilland 222 tapehead preamp to a PS Audio P10 power regenerator after bombing out on the link from an Aesthetix Calypso linestage to the P10. By bombing out I mean that it seemed to make everything connected to the Calypso take 1-2 sonic steps backward. Really blah.
Winston,
MSA products have been the subject of seven of your eight threads in the last eighteen months. This demonstrates a singular use of the Asylum and an apparent affiliation with MSA on your part.
Product quality is not the issue. The question is whether repeated use of the website by one member to promote a single manufacturer's products is acceptable.
Dry Ginger
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You make it sound like Winston does nothing but promote our products. Yes, he has started some threads on them. I guess that there are not so many interesting things in New Zealand to start threads on.
But Winston is a prolific poster - 172 posts this year.
Yes, I know Winston. He does not live close - several hours away. I see him sometimes when he drops by MSA HQ. But there's no affiliation, any more than say Duster is affiliated to VH Audio. He buys our products without any special discounts. As such he is entitled to an opinion, and is allowed to post his opinions here.
As for "The question is whether repeated use of the website by one member to promote a single manufacturer's products is acceptable."
The answer is Yes, it's OK because it's permitted by the forum rules.
a very dedicated audio phile, always on the search. I imagine moving from LA easy the NZ country certainly curtails or at least limits his quest. PRobably meeting Bob certainly fills a void.in Winston life. SO cut the guy some slack, and it seems to me that most of WS comments have been right on so far.OF course YMMV, but trying his recommendations have been spot on.
In addition, I'm sure that Bob appreciates a beta tester close by with whom he can converse and share ideas
Edits: 11/30/14
Stu nailed it in a nutshell with that last line: I'm simply a convenient beta-tester. That's all. No evil audio conspiracies, no nefarious collusion, no hidden 'quid pro quo'. It's simply that I have a decent system (when it works), an open mind, and a pair of ears I am not afraid to challenge. Oh, and I don't mind helping out up-and-coming audio designers by beta testing their products for free, and writing corresponding reviews, because I absolutely LOVE this hobby. It's the best!
So, if I can help advance the 'audio art' by beta testing and reporting what I hear, I am all for it. Very happy to help. Actually, I feel it's an honor, really.
And beta testing is nothing new for me, I should note.
Back in the USA, I have beta-tested for: Shakti Innovations: TweakAudio.com/Electronic Visionary Systems; Bybee Laboratories; Alan Maher Designs; Acoustic Solutions (superb bass traps; now defunct), and others. Basically, I was always trying this out and that out, and reporting back to the manufacturer. So again, this is nothing new for me.
What IS new is all this hostility from a few folks who seemingly NEVER try any of the tweaks they rant against, but simply appear and post their pointless musings in order to try and dissuade others from experimenting with new tweaks or products.
Usually, these types have mud (or worse) for ears, and/or no money for any of the tweaks mentioned. So they whine, rant and rave and try to sow negativity towards the product being reviewed, a product they will never have or be able to appreciate. And they know it.
What they are really doing is simply taking a 'sour grapes' attitude. They know their ears or their systems or their wallets are simply not up to snuff, and so they hate the fact that others are enjoying sonic benefits they wish they had or could enjoy. It's sad, disgusting and pathetic.
But far worse, they are possibly dissuading some readers from giving something a try that might make a great improvement in the listener's playback. And that is simply wrong. Nor very nice or considerate. It is, in short, very selfish.
This is an audio "Tweaks" forum. It is for open-minded people who want to take their systems to the next level of performance by trying new products and techniques and by engaging in activities and evaluations most average listeners would not even dream of trying.
Those who come here and do nothing but spew negativity and naysaying without EVER trying any of the products they rail against, should simply leave this forum to those who use for its intended purpose: the advancement of cutting edge products and techniques that seek and serve to improve audio reproduction and, ultimately, the deeper and more pleasurable enjoyment of music for the listener.
Relax
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