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In Reply to: RE: Cable lifters - Is it just me? posted by johntoste on October 07, 2014 at 07:22:59
Thanks for the reminder.
For me it has been cable dependent. For ic's, my old Audio Teknes were vulernable to movement and could take a 1 1/2 days or more to resettle. But I sold those ic's about 5 years. My other 3 or 4 ic brands seem to only take an hour or 2 to resettle.
Speaker cables I've less experience with. About 8 years ago, I noticed an immediate clearing up when lifting those cables (whatever they were) off the ground, but no longer term gains and that was in my old listening room with different carpet.
I've now been using the same Audio Tekne speaker cables for the past 7 or 8 years (full-immersion cryo treatment) and I've not noticed much difference with them and some BPT speaker cables when using some ceramic cable lifters from Italy. In newer this room, the new carpet is anti-static if that actually counts for anything.
But I've just been auditioning some highly rated cable lifters I recently purchased and I was a bit surprised at the level of improvements over a few days time. Then this weekend I made my own that I've been wanting to try and even better gains still. My home grown versions actually bury the small girth bi-wire speaker cables so they run parallel to each other inside the somewhat firm-fitting material.
Power cables - not much experimentation there since my line conditioners come with built-in power cables and very rarely move. But just last week I built a small custom rack behind my main custom rack primarily to lift my line conditioners about 6 inches off the carpet, which added just a little but nice clarity gain. I was hoping for more but at least the gain was audible.
So at this juncture all power cables, line conditioners, and speaker cables are lifted. And now I need to consider my ic's to see if I can try something reasonable there.
I'm entirely committed to proper vibraiton management at the component and racking system and sub-flooring system levels. But I never gave much thought to cables until a few months back I stumbled across a video showing how power cables visibly vibrated when a charge was sent through them.
Quite visible actually. Hence, my recent desire to experiment a bit.
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And you've reminded me...
that when I got my power conditioner off the floor and onto a rack, the improvement in clarity was so pronounced that I truly laughed out loud.
That's good to hear. With my Foundation Research line conditioners I've heard just a barely audible improvement, clarity actually. If a 5% improvement is barely audible, then this improvement was no more than 5%.
Like cables, I'm sure the results differ based on a number of factors e.g. LC mfg'er, carpet, etc. I'm floating the ground at my LC's too so perhaps there's a difference there. Then of course my LC's are mounted on a steel stand with steel points plunging through the carpet and pad, hence the LC's may not be quite so far removed from static electricity as I think. But if that were the case, then I'd have the same issues at my rack with my components where everything is TIGHTLY coupled together via metal that freely conducts electrical charges.
I personally have never heard any difference from raising the cables off my wood floor with wooden lifters.
That was with my analog system that consisted of an MMF-5 TT, a Radio Shack "Little Rat", Bottlehead Paramour 2A3 monoblocks and Horneshoppe Horns. The cables at that time were DIY CAT5 speaker cables terminated with banana plugs (no solder) and I think the interconnects back then were all Monster but I don't remember which exact ones they were.
It may be that my system wasn't good enough to benefit from the lifters?
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