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In Reply to: RE: Where to Custom Cryo in 2014 ???? posted by alan m. kafton on September 17, 2014 at 12:24:05
Alan, I mentioned in my previous response with regard to the full-immersion method, "besides the added detail and overall musicality, there is yet another characteristic that develops that is not only undeniable but also pretty incredible."
Since you are experienced with the varied cryo'ing methodologies, if you can describe for me what this very audible, undeniable, and welcomed characteristic is, I might be apt to continue our dialogue.
Otherwise, I think there's enough here to leave things as-is for others to now be better informed about cryo vendors and their varied cryo'ing methodologies.
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Not a problem, Alan.
But if you had firsthand experience with both vapor and full-immersion cryo-treated products, then you should also have firsthand knowledge of the undeniable sonic differences between the two methods.
In other words, no guessing or conjecture necessary.
Cryogenics International does NOT use a "vapor" method. They perform a vastly superior deep cryogenic process to vapor injection. Please disuse this terminology, as it is at best incomplete on your part, and at worst incorrect. Continuing to do so in this case only promulgates misinformation.
Secondly, I do have "firsthand knowledge" between vapor injection and full-immersion treated products, and I would categorically state that, for audio products such as cabling, wiring and AC parts, full-immersion is superior to vapor injection treatment. But the caveat again is that not all materials survive the thermal shock of full immersion. Big caveat. There is more to that process than meets the eye....it's very technical. Materials problems are rarely the case with treatment from Cryogenics International (excepting silicon and a few adhesives).
I choose to do business with Cryogenics International because of their high professionalism, complete reliability, weekly service, the fact that their processing is computer-profiled at the boil-off point of LN2 (-320F rounded), and that their soak is programmed for periods usually beyond 24 hours, far more than many other facilities....that's where the rubber meets the road.
Alan, you're not being honest with yourself.
In this case, if it's not immersion, that only leaves one other option, vapor. Now Cryo Intn'l may indeed have a patented superior version of the vapor treatment, but again, if it's not immersion, it's still vapor, no matter how you slice it.
Perhaps this explains your inability to identify or label the one undeniable charactertistic that only cryo immersion can supposedly provide and for which I experienced.
I have no doubt Cryo Int'l is a superior company that treats its customers with the utmost professionalism, etc. But that's not the issue.
But that's ok. No harm no foul.
Jeff;
Did you get your wire and recepticles treated? You did not ask but another treatment for wire is getting it Quantum Tunneled by Synergistic Research. In fact I feel the excellence I hear in my horn system is the fact that the mid range horn diaphragm has been cryo'ed and then Quantum Tunneled.
Will you be at RMAF this year?
David Pritchard
David, who's Jeff?
Thanks for sharing the Quantum Tunneling. Sounds like a sophisticated and superior burn-in process to maximize a cable's performance (what I could tell).
I exhibited at RMAF several years ago and if per chance your question was directed toward me, no I will not be exhibiting at RMAF.
-John
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