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In Reply to: RE: Best Material For Coating Oil Based Paint on a CD Tray? posted by cloudwalker on August 29, 2014 at 17:28:43
BWWWAAAAAAA-HAAAAAAA-HAAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
You're kidding right?
(Oh, I forgot. It's perfect sound forever.)
Engineers know everything. Always.
And everything in audio is therefor perfectly engineered. And consequently, all equipment sounds the same.
(Is your name Julian Hirsch?)
Do you honestly believe that audio engineers at Sony and elsewhere are 'all knowing' and therefor engineer their devices to perfection?
Again, please pardon me while I heartily LMFAO!
Oh, and by the way, your question IS a direct challenge to my statements of observation, and assumes I am completely imagining the changes wrought by painting the tray as I have. Which is insulting, despite your lame attempt to minimize same ("Not trying to be rude....")
Green paint as an effective means of improving CD playback has been previously vetted extensively in this venue long ago, with numerous testimonials to the exceptional effectiveness of such treatments over the years. ("CD Stoplight" ring a bell?)
In fact, our own great Uncle Stu Ono sold (for only one dollar each!) a wonderfully effective plastic disc, the "CD Greenback", about 20+ years ago, which was colored green to (among other things) absorb stray laser scatter. A superb (and fantastically cheap) tweak using these Greenbacks was to cut one to fit exactly over the CD tray to absorb the laser scatter reflecting back upwards and causing jitter, which is universally acknowledged to degrade the sound (I assume you know what jitter is. Maybe not.)
The Greenback CD tray tweak was another superb improvement for basically no outlay, courtesy of Uncle Stu. Sorry you missed it. Many did. (Mostly naysayers, though, so no great loss there.)
All of which evidences a rather significant amount of ignorance on your part. (Not trying to be rude....)
If you are new to this TWEAKERS forum, okay, that is somewhat understandable. Maybe your question was not as disingenuous as it appears. If so, my truly sincere apologies. (Newbies deserve kid glove treatment.)
Otherwise, troll elsewhere, please..........
Follow Ups:
Winston, I honestly did not intend to be rude or insult your intelligence. I am amused by those that think they have found the secret that everyone else missed. It is possible but unlikely. Do you have any hard evidence to support what you are claiming? I do remember hearing the story of when Miller and Kreissel designed a speaker years ago. Kreissel did not think a particular design had enough bass so Miller designed the subwoofer. And I also remember some engineer believing that a blue colored laser sounded better, hence Blu Ray disc. But I probably have those stories wrong. I guess what I am trying to say is that I try not to put people down to prove that I am right. But if you feel better doing that, I don't mind.
"Winston, I honestly did not intend to be rude or insult your intelligence. I am amused by those that think they have found the secret that everyone else missed. It is possible but unlikely. Do you have any hard evidence to support what you are claiming? "
Cloudwalker, not to be rude or insult your intelligence, but I have to question your reading comprehension. Didn't you read this part: "my wife was shocked by the improvement."
Admittedly, the usual scenario is the wife comes running into the room to find out "what you did" to the system. But it does seem clear that under any circumstances, "the wife" is the final arbiter of the value of any tweak. If "the wife" can hear the improvement, then there can be no further discussion.
Blue lasers sound better. Seriously? Nothing to do with the fact that blue light has shorter wavelength and thus the pits can be made smaller. You've heard of this thing called Wikipedia, right. Check out Blue Ray entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc
Can we get rid of this trolling crap?
"I am amused by those that think they have found the secret that everyone else missed."
"Amused" by tweaking?
This is a tweaker's asylum, not a trolling center.
The post's disingenuousness is palpable.
Jon, do we have to still put up with this shit?
I realize now that I was just torturing myself and torturing all of you by responding in this asylum. I want all of you to keep experimenting but I believe what really matters is buying good stuff to begin with and proper room placement. If something else makes your system sound better to you that is great. I promise to quit visiting this asylum.
Audiophile experimentation is the key to Tweakers' Asylum. Posters with no respect for DIY and/or commercial modifications, no real interest in the topic of shared experiences, observations, insights, pertinent details, and general information with fellow AA Inmates have little reason to post in Tweakers' Asylum. It is not a matter of exclusivity or intolerance, it's about constructive discussions not being challenged by those who are essentially posting as naysayers, who often demand scientific proof of one notion or another rather than actually participating in the hopefully productive flow of this forum.
A good place to start in the realm of audiophile tweaks is to upgrade the AC outlet(s) installed at the wall for your audio system, especially if you currently have a 69 cent contractor grade AC outlet installed at the wall.
If that notion doesn't float your boat, there's plenty of other AA forums that might satisfy your believable interests.
Cheers, Duster
A lot of science came out of experimentation. Engineering is basically the attempt to harness science to the human condition or, perhaps better, to take the human condition and attempt to define it (typically through measurement and defining a means of numerically scaling the effect).
Take Galileo for example. It was common sense before he came around and did the experiment, that a heavier object would fall faster than a lighter one. Not so after he did experiment with the inclined plane.
The field of audio is still largely uncharted, IMHO. We need more observers, even for the most outlandish ideas ( take Bud Purvine for example). A simple observation can lead to what may seem a small change but can be significant in many systems.
I am not following the "tweakers" posts anymore, but I just happened to check it out today. Experimenting and tweaking are good, but you leave one step out...that is presenting your findings with facts. I don't want to argue. Just think about this.
the only 'facts' i could care about are my subjectives. have enough of them and it tends -toward- objective. but who cares about explaining? the real world experience of a change brought on by sometimes trivial looking and someimes weird looking approaches is the goal. the change. not the explanation of it.
the "how to" - not the "why"?
"why" is just an argument word anyway.
cloudwalker,
I tried to tell you, but you just wouldn't listen.
Al
So, let me get this straight ... if you do not posses or have access to a state of the art lab, a degree in electrical engineering or physics, or the time and wherewithal to conduct rigorous double-blind tests, it can't be true? I think you were right earlier ... stay out of the tweakers' asylum - and don't let the door bang you on the butt on your way out.
I always have a strong desire to respond to certain types of posts that basically follow a pattern of I don't think there's a scientific explanation for what you're saying/have observed/are reporting therefore it's invalid. But, I'm not as polite as you are, therefore I refrain from saying anything. There's a reason this is named Tweakers' Asylum. We may be crazy but we know what we hear. :)
Joe
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