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In Reply to: RE: Mad scientist black discus vs. synergistic research ECT posted by mic.wolfe@hotmail.com on August 19, 2014 at 13:26:14
I had the freebies too and while there was some minor change it was highly dependent on placement. But I used msa instructions for a power cord using these elements and the change was highly evident and positive. I bought one of his power cords... Bigger positive change. Look these items are ugly, look DIY in the worse way but they are highly effective and not expensive.
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I had the freebies too and while there was some minor change it was highly dependent on placement.I couldn't hear any change using the freebies until I made them into a mains lead as per instruction. They then made a marked improvement in clarity. Others may disagree but I wouldn't bother with MSA devices for anything other than mains leads. For that, they are IMHO superb.
For a dramatic demonstration of what they can do, try three "kegs" on the lead to a TV set. I tried it pretty much as an experiment but they've stayed there ever since. The effect is one of better colour saturation and sharper focus. The latter gives the illusion of more depth to the image as the contrast between in-focus and out-of-focus areas of the display is increased.
I can't comment on Synergistic Research products as I can't afford them.
Edits: 08/20/14
IMHO, and it is just that, a double set up of kegs on the incoming power line (two per leg) was more effective than the Shunyata Hydra. oh, and waaay....cheaper.
of course YMMV
I may be in the perfect position to reply to the question of Mad Discus versus Synergistic Research ECT. Firstly I spent a lot of time with an assortment of different size Mad Discus products at every recommended position. After many hours I only had two remaining. Two small discs on the front of the Marantz SACD player ( one on each side of the on off button). Every other place there was a sense of signal subtraction and a loss of music emotion.
The Mad Discus organization were great to deal with and I received my refund without difficulty. It was an educational tweaking experience. It did remind me some days of trying to use the various Quartz crystals to improve a system. Lots of trial and error.
The Synergistic Research ECT devices are wonderfully effective and have really elevated both my speaker system and my dedicated headphone system. I had major improvement placing the ECT on the following: SACD player-on top of input fuse, A/C inlet plug, digital output circuits, D To A chip,and then on two of the IC chips. Tube amps- a total of three ECT between the tubes ( Art Audio PX-25 amp and Eddie Current Zana Deux amp). Interesting one tube uses transformers and the Zana Deux is non transformer amplifier.
I have put them in two Blue Ray DVD players- Sony and Samsung with major improvements in audio and video quality.
I did hear a change trying them on interconnects and power cords but in my system these locations were not an improvement.
There is a Synergistic Research YouTube discussing possible placement locations.
Currently: highend - electronics.com (Alfred Kainz) is selling three sets of five for the price of two sets- $598.00 with a 30 day money back trial.
The improvement in my system was well worth the cost.
David Pritchard
Funny thing about the discs. They actually take time to "break in". My experience is minimum one hour sometimes two. The stronger the EMF field, (like transformers) the longer time needed. I find this puzzling for a passive edevice..
Still, prior to break in, the discs make your system sound like a horrible boom box or car stereo. Once broken in, they are marvelous in the reduction of the noise floor. If you move them to stronger EMF field, you will need additional break in time. I normally put a CD on repeat and do serious listening only after the second play.
as usual FWIW and YMMV
I experienced the same effect with the Mad Discus- the breaking in effect.I spent ALOT of time with the system on evaluating the discs. In all but one spot that I mentioned, the effect felt like a subtraction effect on the music.
The Synergistic Research ECT has an immediate effect that to me becomes stronger after a short time has passed. I did not hear a good then bad then good cycle. I found the SR product to be more beneficial in my two systems than the Discs or when using crystals. The SR effect is one of the harmonics being in better focus. At least that is the effect on me. I look forward to reading of other tweekers experience.
What are the kegs? You stacked a few freebies and stuck them to to the barrel of you tv's PC near the ie. inlet? Do you have a photo? A pic is worth a thousand words.
http://www.madscientist-audio.com/simplepowerfilter/
http://madscientist-audio.com/presta/diy-parts-and-kits/5-kegs-regular.html
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