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Howdy all,
I am pleased with my Shunyata Venom outlet, but I just have a standard 2 cent wall plate. Has anyone tried the Oyaide wallplate with other brands with any success? Is this is good $200 tweak compared to others? Comments appreciated.
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For a cheap tweak you could try filling the back of a plastic, wood or metal face plate with rope caulk or plasteline.The carbon fiber face plate of the Oyaide WPC-Z housing is intended to absorb stray fields generated at the internal wire to connector junction of the receptacle.
Joe Cohen
The Lotus Group
Stainless steel, depending on the grade, can be magnetic. You have to test each manufacturer's plate to see if it passes the magnet test or not. Steel is a ferrous material. The thick machined aluminum wall plate used on the Oyaide product is of course, none ferrous and is also immune to magnetic fields.
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There is no "problem" that needs solving when using the Oyaide face plate since it is non magnetic to begin with.
ALL stainless steels, with the exception of the austenitic group, are strongly attracted to a magnet.
....has nothing whatsoever to do with the poster's original question, that of mating the WPC with another brand of outlet. Duster merely mentioned an effective, low-cost alternative (that was also chosen for its non-magnetic properties).
If you look at the dates on the responses, you will see that Duster initiated the issue of using non magnetic stainless steel wall plate placebo on 11-21-05.
The original poster simply wanted to know if the Oyaide wall plate would work equally well with his Shunyata product. I responded only that I believed it would and that was really all I injected into the matter.
The advice given by Mr. Dust was a to use a cheaper alternative by substituting he Oyaide wall plate with a cheap $5.00 non magnetic stainless steel plate. The problem lies in the fact that almost ALL stainless wall plates that you buy at the hardware store are going to magnetic, and using a non magnetic screw in the wall plate will not alter the relationship of the electrical field with the ferrous wall plate. You may want to do some research on the interaction between a electrical field and a ferrous material.
Knowing the high probability that neither you nor Duster grasp the full advantages of the Oyaide wall plate has me a bit concerned since both of you feel yourselves the "experts" in this field.Hope this helps you understand.
Regards,
Michael Wolff
. The problem with that advice is that almost I would highly recommend that you understand that most ALL stainless steel wall plates are going to be magnetic much to the
Hmmm....what's my time stamp and date code now?Placebo? Cheap? Experts? Duster....you wanna comment on his comments regarding your comments?
Image: FIM Non-magnetic Stainless Steel Duplex Outlet Wall Plate.I'm no expert, and have never claimed to be such. I'm just a passionate audiophile.
However, it seems that Mike as "expert poser" is at work, here. His slag is unfounded (and hostile, as usual). I do my research, and he should do the same before blowing-off other inmate's sincere information!
Cooper Non-Magnetic Stainless Steel Wall Plate:
"...1 gang duplex receptacle plate is made of type 304 stainless steel alloy to be non-magnetic and corrosion resistant. Matching (screw is) provided..."
(see link below)
Note: Furutech and FIM (among others) also offer non-magnetic stainless steel wall plates. So, a non-magnetic stainless steel wall plate is a precedence-based audiophile device. Mike, you *need to do research* before you attack other folk's AA reputation (BTW... I'm not "Mr. Dust", just Duster, thanks).
P.S. The fact that an Oyaide wall plate is great and would likely better a basic non-magnetic stainless steel wall plate is not the issue, at all. A "better than typical plastic wall plate" is the issue, not to mention it's a cheap tweak which many folks often seek in this forum.
Cooper Non-Magnetic Stainless Steel Wall Plate Information Link:
- http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/14-44-duplex-outlet/1-gang-duplex-receptacle-plate-stainless-steel--632264.aspx (Open in New Window)
Thanks for that information Duster. Yes that would be better than a plastic wall plate I suppose. Although I doubt that anyone has done any serious comparisons between a plastic wall plate and a SS plate from hardware store.com.
I think the original post was how well the Oyaid wall plate would work with other PC's.
However you and the used car salesman have attacked my comments as is typical.
Research? I have forgotten more than you will ever know.
So have you done any comparisons between an plastic wall plate and the Oyaide with an Oyaide outlet?
Has your buddy?
I did a "serious" comparison of a Lowe's hardware sourced Cooper non-magnetic stainless steel wall plate vs. a typical plastic wall plate as used in my three audio systems. All systems showed a marked benefit.Even though I use an Oyaide SWO-XXX in my main system, I do not intend to buy a Oyaide wall plate and why the hell would I even compare it to a plastc wall plate? The benefit would be a no-brainer, I'm sure. Don't be obtuse.
BTW, you have serious social problems, dude. You may think you know better than I and others do, but you seem to *not* based on your attitude and statements... get a grip.
NT
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So far it seems that everyone has ordered the WPC only with Oyaide outlets. No one I know has tried it with other brands, but I would venture that the benefits would be similar. However, Duster's recommendation for the stainless cover is excellent, and could be implemented first to address some of the resonance control issues that the WPC was specifically designed for. It's less pricey and worth a try.
The Acrolink wall plate with the Oyaide outlet is probably what you are actually refering to. The wall plate is machined aluminum which offers phenominal rigidity. The Oyaide outlet mates to the wall plate and then the wall plate is covered with a graphite or carbon cover which is also rigid and extremely attractive. Performance is definetly enhanced.
Read quickly as this will probably be deleted.
Thank you for your reply. The music Direct catalog I just received says it's from Oyaide, so I assumed. Why would this post be deleted?
My apologies, it is a Oyaide plate not a Acrolink. The one they are advertising does not include the outlet which would explain the lower cost.
The entire post would not be deleted, just my response.
Have never tried the Oyaide cover plate but have read the factory info. You might try spraying the back side of your 2 cent plastic cover plate with one of the many static dissapating sprays. Remembering that you can't form an "M" field without an "H" field (magnetic/electrostatic). Or you could try a coating of nickle print the kind you get in a bottle. Making sure that the nickle plate or static draining surface gets grounded when installed. Probably also a good time to check and make sure that the metal box that the duplex is installed in is properly grounded. Either way this should produce much the same results for a lot less cash. Good luck and have fun. Regards Moray James.
moray james
Thank you for your reply. I have never heard of these tweaks, however, I have no idea how to check for proper grounding etc. A wall plate I thought would be an easy job, but apparently there's much more to it :)
Here's a simple and cheap tweak: A non-magnetic stainless steel faceplate is a good thing. The Cooper sold at Lowe's is non-magnetic (tested with a magnet). It offers a notable sonic improvement over a typical plastic wall plate, IMHO. Not a huge difference, but very much a worthy and inexpensive tweak.
Duster, I'd read that non-magnetic metals are good (Al, brass, etc.)and wood. Nobody seems to like the plastic standards, apparently because of vibrations, which they do nothing for, and/or shielding, which they also don't help. But I'm a little unsure about all the metal deals.I'm clear that the heavy gauge Aluminum plate that Oyaide uses works on some potential shielding issues and certainly helps with vibe control. It appears that the carbon fiber also provides vibe control without adding metals to the circuit attached to the outlet itself, though they claim some kind of shielding too.
As a substitute, I've also tried and been told that plain galvanized steel boxes work well for shielding, but only if grounded properly and if they are controlled for eddy currents. I tried that per Al's advice and it worked like a charm! Also worked like a charm to ground at one point on the box only from the outlet grounding screw, then to isolate the whole outlet from the metal box by using nylon screws and washers.
Soooo, what are your thoughts on street legal adaptations that are cheap to the wall connection plate, etc.? Would that stainless work well if isolated by the nylon screws, or does it need that connecton to the box grounding circuitry? (I'm not even sure I'm asking that clearly, but I think you'll get the idea.)
There was a slugfest in Cable Asylum over the "whys" of this tweak. It's an interesting point you make about the conductive nature of the metal wall plate, and whether or not to isolate it from the outlet's ground path in terms of using a nylon screw. I wouldn't do that, though. Perhaps the conductive nature of the metal wall plate has a beneficial effect? I dunno, since I'm no EE and this is just a simple tweak not worthy of protests. Maybe it's just that the metal is more rigid than plastic and has a "better sounding" resonant nature, or it sounds better than the plastic's possible dielectric effect? I dunno, it just sounds better to my ear than the plastic type with a notable measure of improved transparency, IMHO.Some folks have reported various woods and brass to be good (not to mention the Oyaide Aluminum/Carbon Fiber Wall Plate at such a price that's gotta' sound good ;-). I like the non-magnetic stainless steel just fine. I simply use the included non-magnetic stainless steel screw that comes with the Cooper brand faceplate and fugotaboutit :-)
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