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In Reply to: RE: So that leads to a new question.... posted by Tre' on December 05, 2016 at 07:58:44
Then he can make up whatever name to paint on the glass. He evidently has the blessing of Epay as they have let him do this for years now. What do they care? with the bay taking almost 10% of his sales for commission. Maybe it should be reported to the Federal Trade Commission since the fraud is being committed across state lines.
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Dak: "Then he can make up whatever name to paint on the glass. He evidently has the blessing of Epay as they have let him do this for years now. What do they care? With the bay taking almost 10% of his sales for commission."Totally correct about eBay. When faced with obvious fraud and plagiarism eBay at their best case punishment but slaps the wrist of sellers.
It was not uncommon for other sellers to rip-off words in my ads when I was an active LP seller, such as listing titles, descriptions of LPs including my observations about them, etc. without even attempting to make subtle changes. But one seller was unique:
He stole entire ads from me, that is, he cut complete ads from my ebay listings and pasted them into the form used to create his own ebay ads. Thus in so doing he not only copied all content in my ad description including the section describing the condition of each LP being sold, he also stole the ad layout I used, ad title, my terms and conditions, my shipping fees, my high resolution photos of the LPs for sale, even the location of where I lived, etc.
After I caught on I examined his other LP ads. There was no consistency to the look of his ads as there are with other sellers. Each of his ads had a different format/presentation style, different terms and conditions, different shipping terms and ship from locations, even different grading scales (some NM is the best possible rating some used MINT, etc), different quality and look to the photos, and on and on.
I was able to determine who some of the sellers were that he stole his ads from. I documented this and presented it to ebay. What did ebay do? They but made him cease selling for a few days. After that period expired he went back to his old stealing ways. Ebay would not take any additional actions against him. Though they indicated how serious they are as should they receive a number of other complaints (not stated how many) they would take action, though they refused to state what said action would be. But I never noticed they did anything.
PUNCH LINE: This thief was stupid. The photos used for my LP sales were hosted on a webpage I had control of. I substituted new photos for the LPs of mine he used in his ads. Thus when someone examined his ads they saw my new photos. Within those photos there was a large sign that said something like, "I am a thief, I stole this ad from another seller. I will rip you off just like I stole that ad. Don't buy from me." Nutty seller left those photos within his ads as long as they ran!
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Glad to see that you were able to outsmart the corrupted seller & system.
Cory
I sympathize with you. It is hard to not get ripped off especially on a forum like eboy which seems to encourage copycats to increase sales.
"Maybe it should be reported to the Federal Trade Commission since the fraud is being committed across state lines."
That was my first thought.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
This of course, will involve lawyers. Can anybody step up to the plate? Maybe just the whiff of a law suit against eboy will shake them up and get OGR booted to the curb where he belongs.
I have not been taken by this seller so the complaint needs to be initiated by someone who has done business with him.
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...Dream on! A lawyer would probably examine OGR's epray feedback (100% last I looked) and ask the potential plaintiff "where's the beef". IOW, apparently OGR takes care of the occasional disgruntled customer in a mutually satisfactory manner. No doubt, this is why epray takes no action.
Although the typical reaction of the knowledgable tubophile to OGR's sales gimmick is outrage, western capitalist/free enterprise culture still strongly embraces "caveat emptor". This attitude exists in many other areas of the consumer products industry such as homeopathic (but unproven) ED cures and, depending on your point of view, majik audiophile crystals.
Don't know how long you've been around here but years ago there was another tube "entrepreneur" on epay known as the "The Tube Museum". He did the same kinda stuff that OGR is accused of now. And same tubophile outrage. Some well meaning but ignorant zealot decided to take matters into his own hands by actually purchasing known "fraudulent" tubes from TTM and leaving negative feedback warning prospective purchasers to stay away BEFORE receipt of tubes. Things did not go well for Mr. Zealot. TTM complained to epay, got the feedback removed and Mr. Zealot was banned from epay for a period for leaving unwarranted and malicious feedback.
I believe the lesson here is that one should take comfort in one's personal tube knowledge and as Guido the pimp admonished: "Don't f--k with a mans livelihood" unless you really, really know what you're doing.
~!
The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.
If Ebay is even tacitly participating in this fraud, by receiving its' commission, are they not involved in a criminal conspiracy?
I recall reading something about the number of complaints about internet commerce and maybe there is a "loophole" for businesses legitimate and nonlegit.
complicit
adjective: complicitinvolved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing.
and therefore,
liable
adjective: liableresponsible by law; legally answerable.
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Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
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