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In Reply to: RE: Fake Tubes/Bad Seller? posted by Ishmael on November 22, 2016 at 19:00:23
It may be legitimate. RCA sold 6DJ8s, but never made them. This could be a similar situation.
Eli D.
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Rca never made a 7316. It is possible, though unlikely, they put their brand on "real" 7316's which were only made by Philips in Heerlen Holland.
Philips manufactured several variations including a long plate w/ D shaped getter, long plate with halo getter and short plate w/halo getter.
True 7316's will have an etched manufacture/date code with a top line of Ct0 - Ct6 with the second line having a delta triangle and in the case of pre 1960 tubes a 2 character code and post 1960 tubes a 3 character code. ie; delta 9C or delta 1B2. And they were all gray plates w/2 staples.
Also you will note on all Philips tubes and most Euro tubes a cross hatch on the top of the tube envelope.
As far as real, genuine 7316's they must have those codes (unless they have been wiped) in order to 100% ensure they are the real deal. In the case of the codes missing then it's up to the buyer to rely on construction cues, which in the case of Philips tubes can be difficult.
To the original OP, if the codes are absent and the cross hatch is absent, then these are not "real" 7316's and even the seller may not have been aware.
If you are buying premium old stock tubes you MUST know what you're buying, what to look for and what questions to ask. Many sellers just parrot what's on the tube. Or in the case of old_radiola_guy, just outright lie and embellish.
As always "buyer beware"
If this is them, I see nothing in his ad that is misleading. What he states seems to be true based on the pics. Now if he is the one adding the silk screening and actually making the "fake" then he would be in the wrong.http://www.ebay.ca/itm/RCA-NOS-TUBES-TYPE-7316-MATCHED-PAIR-BLACK-PLATE-FOIL-GETTER-PREMIUM-12AU7-ECC82-/272288072394?hash=item3f65a242ca:g:DmIAAOSwgQ9Vsya6&autorefresh=true
I'll say it again, you as a buyer have to know what you're buying. If you don't know the construction or codes, etc. of what you're buying, you're going to learn some hard lessons.
Navigating tubes types is a very tedious endeavor. Many sellers have come across an old stash or parting out old electronics and they just write what they see on the tube or the box in their description. To me that's not being dishonest, that's just not knowing. At that point you as the buyer need to educate yourself.
FWIW, those are still nice tubes, but they aren't "true" 7316's.
Edits: 11/23/16
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