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In Reply to: RE: New Production EL84 comparison thread, please participate!! posted by Mr Blue Sky on July 19, 2016 at 15:15:49
I got mine from Jim McShane and I have no complaints. At first I was suspect if they would perform being a vintage kind of guy. But my irrational fears were allayed quickly once I heard this tube in MY stereo.
It does everything well with no shortcoming that I can hear. It replaced some vintage EL84's that I thought were good. Until I popped these in and it was like a vitamin shot in both cheeks.
Good strong tube that still maintains the magic of the EL84 name.
charles
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The Russian 6П14П-EB (6p14p-ev), AKA EL84M, is a very tough, genuine, 7189 equivalent. More than 1 nice "vintage" amp would get "parted out", if not for the 6П14П-EB.
Eli D.
Where are you guys buying these? I'm having trouble getting reliable product on ebay.
EBone is, all too often, worse than Dodge City, KS, was, before Wyatt Earp arrived. :> ((
When it comes to tubes, I prefer dealers with solid reputations. My go to guy is AA sponsor Jim McShane, but other reliable sellers are around.
Eli D.
He only has the Sovtek EL84M now per his website. He says the military tube is hard to find now. eBay shows quads for about $50 plus ship from Ukraine and other spots in Asia.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
I can tell you from experience that the match on those "quads" is suspect. Properly matched quads are hard to find, so what I take as your inference that I am misrepresenting the availability is not accurate.
I don't carry the Sovtek EL84 because they are not particularly good tubes. The EL84M (which is the current production 6P14P-EV!) is a VERY good tube.
Russian 6P14P-EV and the JJ EL84. The JJ has a warmer tone. More midrange. The Russian 6P14P-EV as a bigger sound. More headroom.
The Russian tube survives quite well in Class "A," cathode-biased amps.
Both the wife and daughter have little Jolida integrateds that use a pair EL84's per side. So far have experience with the same two you've mentioned in those amps. My experiences matches yours. All around the Soviet tubes win, but the JJ has its own charms that keep them in the running. I have a set of Sovtek EL84M's here on the shelf, but have not had the opportunity even take them from their boxes. So happy with the 6P14P & the JJ, the Sovteks won't see the light of day until one or the other sets in use croak.
Please post when you do finally try the 84M. TIA!
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
:-)
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Tim, you may well be right. The only for sure difference is the vintage. The 6P14s I have are from the 1970's and the M's are some forty years newer.
Tim is correct. The EL84M designation is just the Sovtek numbering for the 6P14P-EV (or EB) tube.
:-)
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
IME, when it comes to output stages of both hi-fi and most guitar amps --- the requirements of the tubes is about the same. really, that's more-or-less true with gain stage, too.
Same old RCA 6L6GC, Westinghouse 7591A, MOV/GEC KT-66 are desired. Same old RCA 7025, Raytheon 12AX7A, Valvo 6021, TMBP Sylvania 5751...
8^)
to sound like it can IE 3D, (which live doesn't quite.) The least lossy recording method. With minimal edge cancellations and timing anomalies? Ask?
NB 3D at home helps you notice all the following.
Interplay and ensemble, antiphony, expression and 'an approach' to live music's dynamic range, and ...
Timbral accuracy - IE attacks and decays done right, stops and starts, nuance. Matching rise and fall rates in room.
ALL of the above are orthogonal.
LBNL Enough dbw power & PSU reserves for; the room size, listening distance, and the owner's /owners tolerated maximum loudness.
That is the basis on which I judge home hi-fi set-ups.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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