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In Reply to: RE: ebay seller old_guy_radiola posted by Tre' on January 04, 2016 at 08:27:41
Confusion. Wonder what Tungsol has to with National Union. And the bit about TS never making tubes?Then, there is this gem:
"We supply tubes to many ebay tube dealers. Most tubes out there for sale come from us these days."
Hmm...
Perhaps, he misinterpreted your message to him?
???
Edits: 01/04/16Follow Ups:
Here's what I sent to him,
"FYI, if these tubes were made by Western Electric then they would have the Western Electric JAN designator of CW on them.
These tube were in fact made by National Union and that is why they have the National Union designator of CNU on them.
So you have it backwards. These tubes were made by National Union and Western Electric used them to fulfill a government contract. This sort of thing happened all the time.
JAN-CKR- = Ken Rad
JAN-CNU- = National Union
JAN-CNY- = North American Philips, Norelco
JAN-COZ- = Sonotone
JAN-CQN- = Slater
JAN-CRC- = RCA
JAN-CRP- = Raytheon
JAN-CS- = Sperry
JAN-CTL- = Tung-Sol
JAN-CUE- = United Electronics
JAN-CW- = Western Electric
JAN-CWL- = Westinghouse
Please correct your listing.
Thank you
Tre'"
Here's what I got back,
"See here is something many many tube guys doesn't know.
Let me explain the short version.
Before I do explain. We have four owners with a combined 165 years experience . The CEO Has 64 years experience and worked for western electric for 41 years and amperex in Holland for 23 years.
We sell 200,000 tubes per month and have 13 stores worldwide. We provide and have been providing tubes to dealers for many decades. Just recently (7 years ago) we decided to open many ebay stores all over the world. This one is one of the newest ebay store
Ok short version about what you think.
The Nation union tube company never made this tube. These were designed and produced in the western electric factory. Nation union had an exclusive contract with western electric.
Notice western electric doesn't have 6sn7 / 12sn7 12sl7 6sl7 types. This is because of certain deals and contracts back in the day. Just like Tungsol never ever made one tube and never will. they are branded tungsol but never made tubes.
So technically We are correct. I completely understand why you think what you do. It is really hard to know these things unless you live it such as the one owner I talked about. He is going to be 88 years old. He is a tube God. He has information about tubes No one will know unless you were there.
Also we warehouse over 175 million tubes. Most are from governments of different countries. We have 24 employees in the usa a total of 115 employees worldwide.
The owners all got together back in the 1980;s and decided to hoard tubes. They have been doing this a very long time. So when the ebay listers get the information we are guaranteed it is correct. Sometimes the ebay lister might make a mistake. These 12sl7 tubes were designed and put together at the western electric factory in Chicago Ill.. These tubes also sometimes were made with the famous western electric cloth wire as lead wires from the pins to the anodes and filaments . This should help give some more proof.
Thank
Regards
Old GuyRadiola"
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Sylvania JAN-CHS
I have a lot of this one. It's on all the Ws and some bottom getter GTs erroneously all called Bad Boys, while only certain ones qualify as actual Bad Boys. You all know the drill.
P.S.
I will let you in on a secret I got from US intelligence some years ago.
Sylvania didn't actually make any tubes either. They were made by Dumont who pretended to be a relabeler but RCA GE Raytheon etc. were really just different colored and shaped DuMonts. Dumont did sub contract with Lansdale but very rarely. I can talk about this freely now because the technology isn't as important as it once was.
"Back in the day", " 13 stores worldwide", "tube god". I call bs..... JH
I would go a step further and say that those were tubes made by RCA, then brokered to WE by NU.
Interesting.
What's the give away that they were made by RCA?
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
The octagon around 12SL7 etched into the glass.
RCA made round plates? I know that TS and NU both made round plates, but never heard of RCA making round plates.
Wonder why anyone would say crazy things like that. Hard to trust any seller, after he said that.
???
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The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.
After reading and re-reading the seller's reply, I'm not so sure that's what he meant. I think what he was trying to say is the TS did not make either a 12SL7, or did not make the ones in question.
I'm more intrigued by the RCA round plate thing. I feel as I've been educated in that I did not know RCA did round - never seen them before. I have both TS and NU 6F8G's with round plates and the plate construction in both the TS and NU do not look like the ones in the sellers picture. I mean, sure, they're round, but that's where similarity to the TS/NU 6F8Gs ends. Round plate TS & NU 6SN7s I've seen are identical to the 6F8Gs with exception of the bottle shape and grid cap. The conclusion I'm inclined to jump to is that neither NU or TS made those 12SL7's.
Live and learn I guess.
RCA made round plate 12 and 6SL7 tubes. Perhaps also some other types which I havent seen. RCA never made a round plate 12 or 6SN7s.
I emailed him again asking him to clarify.
This is his response.
"New message from: old_guy_radiola (2,353)
Tungsol branded many many different tubes. They never made them they just branded them all types.
Have a nice day
Regards
Old GuyRadiola"
That is so hilarious. What a maroon!
I just asked him who made the TS round plate 6sn7.
This should be good.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Are you serious? He actually is saying T-S never made any tubes? Ever?
Wow. Did he have a previous career as an Iraqi press secretary??
Andrew
Yes, he actually said that.
"Listen please yes they had a tube company that is where they marked the tubes for other companies . These is not a tungsol manufacture anywhere and never was. All they did was mark millions of tubes."
In the face of evidence to the contrary he clammed up and changed the subject. He wanted to know my name and phone number.
Being a crazy "I'm not afraid of anybody" cowboy, I emailed him my phone number.
He then sent me this, "Good news . The owner is going to have a company meeting and you can join us at one of our operations in so cal.
Do you want a sample box of some of the tubes we are sending out?
Ken
Regards
Old GuyRadiola"
I emailed him back "Sounds great. Please give me a call"
I'm still waiting.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Well, I guess the thoughts I had of e-mailing him a piece of my mind would in execution be fruitless.
I was going to call him out for his fake labeling of Lansdale tubes as Sylvania's, and comically erroneous date codes on his Ken Rad tubes.
Andrew
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Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
I've never seen a 6SL7 or a 12SL7 with anything other than round plates.
Occasionally, round plate 6SN7's and 12SN& turn up,but they are rare.
The last one, 12sl7, that I had in my hand was a KenRad. I picked it up at an estate sale. It had flat, ladder-type construction. I've never used any 12v octals, but I knew what it was and it appeared NOS in box, so I snagged it. Cost me $2, I think. Bought an old brand X emissions tester too at that sale. I used the 12sl7 to see if the tester worked. I eventually ended up giving both away.
Here's a sold pair with both the RCA octagon and RCA base printing.
Silver font style on black base looks 1930-40s RCA.Told you it was a WAG.
Edits: 01/04/16
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