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In Reply to: RE: Spending $6K to $8K for amp/pre-amp and speakers posted by RavenDave on May 11, 2015 at 10:02:28
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"Sorry to hear about your poor hearing and the fact that your business knowledge/prowess is non-existent.The tubes in our integrated amplifiers cost more than $400, so what you are saying is certainly not very useful and absolutely lacking in real-world knowledge on the subject.
The man asked about building a system for a certain price point. I am sure he is not looking for a 50-year old piece of equipment, nor home-made/altered speakers.This is YOUR opinion and is of NO use here in this forum.
If you are not offering experienced or knowledgeable information (which you certainly are not) then you should keep your views and personal feelings to yourself. But let's look at the real costs of building a new amplifier, preamp, speaker, or whatever in real world costs.
It costs about $125 to cut, fold, weld and fill a single entry level steel integrated amplifier cabinet .....
The input and output speaker and source terminals cost an additional $125 ... assemble and solder and attach them all into a working amplifier inside that finished cabinet.
Skilled technical labor and craftsmanship are not free, and that cost often exceeds the parts cost for a high quality build."
---I will answer your points one by one:-
1/ Hearing:-
My hearing is certainly FAR more acute than yours will ever be and much better trained. There is ZERO doubt this aspect.I recently tested it. I was astonished to see it still extends to over 17khz.
This is at your age, a figure which you can only dream of (let's say you are lucky if you can approximate to 9-10k -10dB).I don't imagine you know anything about recording some of the best musicians in the world, nor would they let you near them, so let's stop there shall we?
2/ The price of your valves:-
Let's say it must be YOU that has the poor business judgment.I can easily buy the best there is available for a complete 75W amplifier for less than 150 USD. You heard of the internet yet?
Speak more than ONE language?
Right I thought not, without it you will continue to pay too much.3/ American rates?
Yes you have priced yourselves into voluntary bankrupcy.
Why the heck would anyone be so STUPID as to want to make a product in the USA when you can get labour rates 1/5 to 1/10 of that in Ukraine or Poland?
Did you ever hear the word Poland, Hungary or Romania.
They're no longer in the USSR pal!4/ If you want to get taken seriously and want respect stop talking bollox, and admit you are out of your depth.
I wanted a transformer made last few weeks, after taking offers from literally ALL OVER THE WORLD.
The US suppliers (apart from surplus sales stuff) were invariably both sub-standard, over priced & inflexible.Even SOWTERS in England could undercut you, and their stuff is 20X better than Stancor, or whatever you like to name.
If I wanted something mega expensive I wouldn't buy Swedish but BELGIAN.Hey, you know there's even people on the internet selling BRAND NEW old stock stuff from Partridge or Parmeko, that superb 50 year old material which you are saying people don't want, and lasts like Swiss Studer equipment literally for ever.
I must say the biggest shock coming back to this stuff after all these years is seeing the time warp, and the prices for old electronic gear multiple x 25.
I reckon you are just another one of those trying to justify these sky rocketing prices by any excuse in the book, then trying to shoot the messenger, cos you can't find any other solution.
As for my own system.
It does what I want it to do, which is to show up all the crap in other people's recordings, and the stupidly overpriced, overhyped dross which passes for "hi end" , just because the old fogeys that buy it are deaf.I'm not sad it's American made, but now it has a mixture of Russki, Brit and Yankee all over it.
Edits: 05/11/15Follow Ups:
Pure idiocy on so many levels. I hope the room you are hiding in is locked from the outside... and overseas... because you are indeed "terrible" for our country "ivan".
I believe in America. My business acumen is just fine. I run my business exactly how I do because I want to. And that is what freedom all about. I don't want to go overseas for my labor.
And my business is doing just fine. I suspect yours is... at a minimum overseas. And YOU are exactly what is wrong with this country. Not to mention always trying to tell others what to do and how to do it... and how you and your way are always best.... bull____!
RavenDave
"I believe in America. I don't want to go overseas for my labor.
....always trying to tell others what to do and how to do it... and how you and your way are always best.... "
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Well NO.
I don't tell others how to do it, but at least I don't go ignorantly raving about the Chinese doing nothing right, when you are using their Iphones, cameras, computers, and internet routers for just about everything that is written here.
It's called CHOICE.
The right to buy whatever you think is the best value for money, and the USA is certainly NOT that.
Just STOP for a minute and put your brain in gear.
You DON'T believe in America, because you asked some giant in Asia to make it cheaper for you, because you are patently unable to make at that price in the USA.
This is called being in denial.
Job's company Apple which is the richest one in the USA can tell you that NOW, which is why it's so big.
They don't make any of their I-stuff in the USA, but a friend of mine designs their chips, for them to make them in PRC.
Everything has a price.
The world is an international place, which again is PRECISELY the reason why I bought 2 old valve amps in the USA, then mucked around with them to make a really good system from all they could do with the "pearls in the muck" which was to use them for PA work.
I am being nice to you, despite the constant attempts to attack me personally.
What appears to be a REAL worry on your part,is that I can undermine the more lunatic audiophile fringe with 500USD of kit, just like I can undermine the DAC lunatics spending 1000s of USD on convertors with a good second hand semi professional 50 USD DAT machine to use as a DAC.
I pointed out you were wrong, and refuse to listen.
I can't alter this behaviour, because I can see the vested interests of all concerned.
It's exactly this unscientific bollox that turns me off about the whole "hi end" audiophool world.
Does any of this have anything to do with the original post? Can't you guys spare us your pissing contest?
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