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In Reply to: RE: CLOSURE TAKE TWO: call for apology to "thearmyofgoodmusic" posted by petercapo on April 28, 2015 at 08:21:23
I forgot he had two auctions. One saying Holland, one saying Philips. I e-mailed him about the one which said they were Philips. This auction below is the one which said Holland and was revised on Mar 17, 2015 16:32:05 PDT.That's when he took "Holland" out.
But being dishonest by virtue of omission, he said he didn't modify the auction, and made a big deal out of that, calling me dishonest instead. He killed the auction before he posted here so it couldn't be found and didn't think anyone COULD find it.
But I did.
And I stand by what I said. If me letting someone know he is screwing people and letting tube buyers know it too is an issue, so be it.
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This is the first time we are seeing this listing. This is, IIRC, the first time Mr. Deal is informing us that there were actually TWO separate listings that he had concerns about. This newly revealed listing is completely different from the one Mr. Deal himself has been making an issue out of all along that he twice posted links to, last month.Why didn't Mr. Deal clarify this before letting so much water pass under the bridge?? It's not like there haven't been plentiful opportunities for Mr. Deal to respond like this, before today. He is now saying "he forgot." So, does this mean that Mr. Deal... simply made a mistake?? Okay by me! But, he has to extend that kind of understanding to others, as well.
I hope that Mr. Deal realizes how terribly confusing it is to the issue, to reveal this information so late in the game. It would have been really nice if Mr. Deal had kept the listings straight from the outset, which would have saved a lot of time and trouble here. If Mr. Deal started out having an issue with this newly revealed listing, why did he originally opt to do a two-step and substitute an entirely different listing to make his point, without telling us it wasn't the actual listing that he claimed said "Holland??"
We can only go by the information that is presented to us.
Given that this is a separate listing from the one that has been under discussion thus far, it is therefore, strictly speaking, a separate issue in and of itself. Arguing dishonesty from silence on the part of Mr. Bowman regarding a listing that hasn't even been known about until this afternoon is just silly. It's just like any other argument from silence. You simply do not know what Mr. Bowman had in mind, no matter what you claim your "gut" may be telling you.
This new revelation does not change anything about the disrespectful tone and tenor of Mr. Deal's e-mail to Mr. Bowman. Nor does it change the shocking way he embarrasses his own customers on his website. Nor does it change the fact that none of us can read Mr. Bowman's mind to know whether he willfully misrepresented his tubes or if he simply made mistakes like Mr. Deal has made significant mistakes in this thread. Strictly speaking, the revision history of this newly revealed listing does not tell us exactly what was revised, either. So, in posting this "new" information, Mr. Deal has proven nothing.
Mr. Deal has no excuse to be anything other than respectful in dealing with people, regardless of the circumstances. By rights, he needs to rein-in his self-appointed, draconian "authority." I, and, I am sure, others, have a collection of tubes and other gear that we may likely need to sell on eBay someday, about which I/we will have imperfect knowledge. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't welcome anyone breathing down my neck and trying to trip up my efforts to sell my own things. No sir.
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Agreed +1
Agreed.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public
H. L. Mencken
Kevin, you are hanging on by what little thread you got left.My messages between you and I back up you never said anything about tubes made in Holland because I never did either. After you accused me of scamming and told me these were Chinese tubes i changed the title and description to "Westinghouse label" and country of manufacturer to "unknown". I did this the same day you told me that I may be wrong. As opposed to just trusting you and your vicious messages I changed the listing until I could do further research to corobarate your opinion. I never once said anything about made in Holland...that my friend is a stone cold lie. Now if you want to do a screen shot of the message you sent me telling me to take off the word Holland go ahead and put that up for the good people here to see. You will have a hard time with that one because it doesn't exist. I already posted word for word every single word you and I ever said to each other here...that doesn't match your story of contacting me telling me they werent Holland and then I changed to Philips ECG. I said they were Philips ECG (which I was wrong about) the WHOLE TIME. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE PUT THIS TO REST.
I was wrong for indetifying the tubes as something they were not. You were wrong for how you called me out on it. Get over it and move on. I nor my little side business are no threat to you and your business. Stop trying to stir the pot. You are making me reply to you to have to defend myself. If you just stop both of us can just be done with this foolish argument. But, every time you can't let go you make both of look ridiculous. I feel like I'm in high school again for gods sake.
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My message to you informed you they were not made in Holland and why. I did that because it said HOLLAND. You're full of it.If what you say is true, why did you cancel the auction that said Holland, and leave the other one up telling people it was never revised? Why not leave it up?
Because it was edited.
The other one said CLEARLY "Made by Philips ECG" and you NEVER changed it even after I explained it to you.
The facts are simply you had two auctions, one saying Holland and the other saying Philips ECG.
I informed you of this on 3/15, and explained it fully why they were Chinese.
You told me "go ahead and report me to whatever site or whatever you run. Im not gonna be bullied "on 3/16.
I told you I would put it in a forum 3/16.
I put it here on AA 3/17.
You revised Holland on 3/17, and then you took both down only after heat was applied.
That's all there is. If I hurt your feelings in my terse message, I'm sorry. But the fact is that nothing was done to make it honest until I posted here. Nothing. And you told me you wouldn't be pushed around.
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Read the stuff above, and the dates.
My mistake is I'm trying to run a business here and didn't list both of his auctions.
I wanted him to simply fix the auctions and he didn't do so, and told me he wouldn't be "pushed around", including the auction stating they were Philips ECG , until it was posted here.
That's it guys.
OK, so you obviously have all those messages we sent back and forth. If you told me to to take a listing down because I claimed they were made in Holland take a screen shot of that message in the eBay messages and post it here. If you want to show me and everyone else the truth show us that evidence.....and don't follow this up with some bologna that the message is gone or something like that. Those messages are saved for 60 days. I await your response. You just can't admit we both made mistakes can you?
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