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In Reply to: RE: My earlier post about Ebay Dirtbag posted by Kevin Deal on April 22, 2015 at 16:49:24
Ok Mr. Deal, how do you explain this?
You accused the seller of using the word Holland in his ad, then removed it and replaced it with Philips. Now, if this did indeed occur, there would be a note on the left side of the auction page, just below the Description - Shipping and payments tab.Seller assumes all responsibility for this listing.
Last updated on March ?? , 2015 11:39:01 PDT View all revisionsBy clicking the revisions word, the history of all revisions would appear and listed by category.
Buy it now price
Shipping
Payments
Item description
etc.Your link to his item below reveals that there was no revisions made during the time the listing was active. Andy Bowman insists he did not change the description. It seems the lack of a revision backs up his claim.
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Here is a screen shot of the listing to help prove this point. I never once made a single revision to this listing.
You are right..Thanks for clarifying.
Here's what you can change about your auction before bids have been placed (and when it does not end within 12 hours):
The title or description of your auction
The item category
The item's Minimum Bid price
The item's Buy It Now price
A Reserve Price (add, change, or remove)
The duration of your listing
The URL address of the picture you're including with your auction
A Private Auction designation (add or remove it)
Accepted payment methods, payment methods, checkout information, item location, and shipping terms
When you revise an auction, eBay puts a little disclaimer on your auction page that reads Seller revised this item before the first bid. (Think of it as automatic common courtesy.)
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public
H. L. Mencken
Please, please, please, haven't we beaten this horse enough?
I am tired of this subject taking up space. Enough has been said already.
It appears both parties were wrong in some way or another. Just move on already!
Amen!
I agree 100%.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public
H. L. Mencken
Too many obvious vested interests here for this thread to mean much.
Sorry..a trustworthy seller does not 'guess' about the tube. Do the research B4 it's listed. Pretty simple.
So far it's perfectly reasonable to say that the evidence in this thread supports that Mr. Bowman did not "guess." It seems like he simply made a mistake, he made it right, and that's all. Who never makes mistakes? Mr. Bowman has also made it clear that if he had been approached in a civilized manner from the outset, that this imbroglio would have been avoided.Trustworthy sellers do not grossly disrespect others or misrepresent other seller's listings, either, like Mr. Deal may very well have done.
This has not been about two sellers "scrapping." It's about a little fish trying to fend off a big fish.
I really wish this thing would go away. I'd rather not keep adding to this thread, but...
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In all fairness tho Peter,it only shows an edit or a change if there are no bids on the item.You can edit an auction ad a thousand times and nobody would know as long as there was no bidding activity on the item.Once that happens,it shows it as an edit. I didn't see the made in Holland and it's Kevin's word against Andy's.The way it was handled is what set you and me off.This thread has gone on far too long over a couple of tubes..There are a ton of sellers on Ebay that are legitimate shisters and we all seem to be concentrating on one seller over one item for so long..It's getting ridiculous now.
If Kevin would have posted the original ad,that would have solidified the argument that this wasn't on the up and up. That didn't happen and I didn't see the original ad so we are going on the premise of he said she said.We can assume Kevin's wonderful name and reputation in the business but then the way it was handled raised an immediate red flag.It almost seemed like a personal vendetta of one seller against the other.
I surely didn't think the seller would sell a pair of Holland made NOS/NIB EL34s for a 119 dollars.That's the other thing that made me question whether he said they were made in Holland.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public
H. L. Mencken
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Hi Mike,It seems to me like Andy has had to be on defense against Mr. Deal's, and, to an extent, his devotees', relentless aggressions. I honestly don't see this as a bilateral vendetta. I find this to be consistent with the fact that Mr. Deal has devoted a page on his website to publicly embarrassing his customers, which, frankly, seems pretty over-the-top. Andy removed his faulty listing. Will Mr. Deal remove the dunce cap he has placed on his customers' heads (who he calls "crazy") and take down the web page www.upscaleaudio.com/unbalanced/ ?
I've never been overly concerned about the Holland thing, because, as you pointed out, the manner in which this situation was handled by Mr. Deal from the outset was what set you and I off, and rightly so. IMO, this is just as significant as any issue with the tubes.
Even my wife has looked at this situation and has commented on whether she can expect to be attacked by Mr. Deal after I die some day and she tries to sell my tube sets - with imperfect knowledge of them. Heck, how many AA members who frequent these forums know all there is to know about their gear? What if any of us want to sell off some of our stuff on eBay? Are we going to be bullied by a cadre of self-appointed tube mavens who don't like the way we list our stuff for sale - or how we part our hair?
I agree that enough is enough. I'd like to see this end. Thank you for your thoughts, Mike.
Peter
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"In all fairness tho Peter,it only shows an edit or a change if there are no bids on the item.You can edit an auction ad a thousand times and nobody would know as long as there was no bidding activity on the item.Once that happens,it shows it as an edit."I am sorry Michael but that is not accurate. All revisions are recorded, bids or not, same with fixed price listings. Mr. Deal is not being honest.
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I change ads a lot before the first bid and I never noticed it but you are right..The only way to beat it is to cancel the ad and redo it.
I used to edit my own auctions before any bids and I never noticed that little box but when I add words to the auction after I had received bids,it shows it in red that I have added additional information.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public
H. L. Mencken
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Recent example @ the following link.
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Mr. Deal,
Another example of my post above, about revisions, can be seen in the link below.
I am sure you remember.
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Who paid these silly price for a crap sounding valves,I dump more than ten to the bin,if that call platinum,what do you call these
kc
Thank you! Finally someone knows how to show proof that I indeed never revised that listing.
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