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In Reply to: RE: Why is this considered an attack? posted by PakProtector on March 19, 2015 at 04:38:59
Doug
The guy didn't object to removing the tubes..He was upset in the condescending manner in which he was approached and you would be as well.
You don't approach people like this the first time.
upscaleaudio: <-----(Kevin Deal)I assume you already know these are Chinese. Your auctions and your Ebay ID will be going up on a couple websites in the "Fake Ebay Auctions" page if you don't stop this and change the auction to what they are. I'll keep an eye on you.
Doug,would you like someone to respond to you like that in the first encounter? I can pretty much deem you wouldn't and neither would most people.
How about,I don't know if you know this or not but these are Chinese made tubes and are not actually Philips so you should really change your ad to state it as such. Then you can tell him whom you are and explain yourself in a bit of detail..
Look at the tubes the guy sells and you can see why he probably didn't know and that's why he made a mistake..He gives a money back guarantee and he does have excellent feedback so it's easy to assume that he knew but he obviously didn't.I find shisters on Ebay all the time and I approach them but I always do it diplomatically without being insulting and hurtful because many just don't know however,when I find someone listing an Mc275 in mint condition for a 1000 dollars and they live in England and will ship it free,I go right for jugular as that is an obvious fraud.
I know Kevin knows his business when it comes to tubes and I understand his frustration as there are a lot of low lifes that would say anything to make a sale but you still need to use diplomacy sometimes.
This guy has great feedback and Kevin no doubt thought this guy knows every avenue of selling tubes but he obviously doesn't. 7 years ago I had these 6L6gc tubes that said made in W. Germany on them and I thought that's where they were made until someone alerted me to the fact that they were made in Eastern Europe in spite of what the bottle says..He was very kind in the way he approached me and I pulled the auction and I was grateful he helped me out..That is the way I approach Ebay sellers and I almost always get appreciated response and they almost always do the right thing.
Try kindness first and give people a chance and if that doesn't work,then you've every right to go out there and do what you have to do.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public
H. L. Mencken
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I've read this entire post and the other post listed.
I believe that diplomacy and decorum should be practiced at first, especially by someone well respected as Mr. Deal or anyone else for that matter.
Once, if nothing has been done to rectify the situation then stronger measures must be utilized. But even at that, firm language can be used in a professional, diplomatic fashion. It only strengthens the reputation of the person exposing the "fraud"
Conversely, the seller, if unsure of the origin of the merchandise then I think the seller is obligated to disclose that information. This in turn would strengthen the reputation of the seller. And if what I have read here is true about the ad still being listed and not corrected then shame on the seller and they should be exposed, but agin in a professional, respectful manner.
Best,
Dave
Dave
His ad was removed..The ending of the auction ad is the only thing showing up which it always does in that case..The tubes are no longer for sale.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public
H. L. Mencken
As I posted on March 17, I am with Michael on this one. A stranger from nowhere to the seller is threating the seller. The approach was mishandled from a management standpoint.
Can't see any reason to assume that Deal was immediately insulting or condescending when he first contacted the seller. What Deal says is that he tried to hip the guy and was strongly rebuffed.
If the seller didn't object to removing the tubes how come he's still listing them as Philips?
"Can't see any reason to assume that Deal was immediately insulting or condescending when he first contacted the seller."
Follows is what the ebay seller claims was his first contact from Kevin Deal and I see nothing posted here by Deal denying it.
"I assume you already know these are Chinese. Your auctions and your Ebay ID will be going up on a couple websites in the "Fake Ebay Auctions" page if you don't stop this and change the auction to what they are. I'll keep an eye on you."
Nope, nothing there that's "insulting or condescending" or would give on pause IF and only IF the seller was not aware of the provenience of the tubes.
Agreed?
This was the first email to the guy from Kevin and I didn't see him deny it so you tell me.
I assume you already know these are Chinese. Your auctions and your Ebay ID will be going up on a couple websites in the "Fake Ebay Auctions" page if you don't stop this and change the auction to what they are. I'll keep an eye on you.
That sounds like a threat to someone you never had any dialogue with..At least express civil dialogue and give the guy a chance and if he doesn't rectify it,you have every right to respond anyway you see fit..
Where is he still listing the tubes as Philips? I don't see it.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public
H. L. Mencken
I am thearmyofgoodmusic on ebay. My name is Andy Bowman. Kevin Deal has now wrote on this forum that i origianlly wrote thay these tubes in question were made Holland. This is a total 100% lie. I thought these were Philips ECG and never once said they were made in Holland then changed the listing after he told me. I posted word for word every single piece of the conversation i had with Kevin. He never said anything about hholland because it never happened. I labeled them thinking they were philips ecg because i have another tube that looks exactly the same that was labeled philips ecg (which turns out is also a fake chinese tube) being that i rarely deal in chinese tubes...i didnt know. Honest mistake. The whole point of all of this is i didnt want to be attacked or threatened for an honest mistake. Someone spent millions of dollars to fake tubes...its really not that crazy they Could fool some of us once and a while.
Andy Bowman
The seller took off the Holland designation and instead listed them as being Philips ECG. Look at the ended auction.
He did this after he was informed of the Chinese origin of the tubes but evidently still intent on selling them as Philips. If you reread Kevin's post he also says the seller removed Holland but put Philips ECG in its place.
Did you ask him why he thought these were Holland tubes initially?
Steve
I wish we could find the original ad.I went on this rant for naught if he actually did that because there is no way I would believe he would believe those were Holland built tubes.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public
H. L. Mencken
Mike, regardless of whether he knew it or not, I really don't think it was necessary for Mr. Deal to address him in the way he did...
Edits: 03/21/15
I agree with you Peter..That was very uncalled for..There was no reason for that and I still maintain that..I hope he didn't put Holland on those tubes tho because that sort of breaks my faith being I was so adamant in defending him.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public
H. L. Mencken
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kc
Steve
Do you have a link to it? It said Philips ECG which we know is not Dutch Amperex. I don't see the word Holland anywhere.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public
H. L. Mencken
Edits: 03/21/15
No he took off the Holland designation as I said 2 times, but inserted Philips ECG, which we agree is there. That is not the correct designation for a Chinese tube. Were Philips ECG tubes made in China? If so I am wrong and the and the tube is correctly labeled.
Steve
and allow maro to answer this one I'd very much appreciate it.
cheers,
Douglas
Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.
Lotsofnoise is the one you need to respond and he already has below..The Maro individual may be a customer of his but I can't say for sure. AAMOF,he has responded several times and it looks like he joined up just to have his say..
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public
H. L. Mencken
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without any other folks commenting, perhaps you should email him through Asylum email.
Otherwise, as this is a public forum, we all have the right to comment.
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