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Look at the title and tell me what you see when you look at these tubes. I emailed the guy and I can post the response if need be.
Honest amplification is better than excessive 2nd order distortion anytime.
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I read you post with a good deal of interest. I have about 6 GE 6L6GC with "meatballed" getters just like the photo of the ebay tubes. My tubes did not come in original boxes, but test similar to typical NOS in transconductance and current draw. Further these tubes test as NOS on several life tests that I have conducted. GEs, in my experience, have the most getter flash inconsistencies.
scrolling down toward the end of his listing reveals the following:
"Please note, many tubes will test NOS but will actually have a few hours of use on them. A truly NOS tube will have excellent getter flashing condition, no dirt/grime, usually in the original box, and no filament deposits. If a tube is listed as "tests NOS" but is listed as "not True NOS" please expect the tube to have a small amount of use."
agree that his own titling of these tubes as NOS/NIB is misleading. his statement seems to imply that strong testing tubes can be called "NOS." re his "priced accordingly," the fact that they are not selling hopefully indicates that people are not falling for the BS.
-andre d
Yes you read the fine print well and you are correct in your interpretation. I have found that NOS tubes can be a big gamble. I have had far better luck and gotten way more for my money by buying used tubes and used lots. This is most true with one of my fav types in 6v6gt's. An old 6v6 that has been in a radio from the 50s and still tests nearly new is likely to last another 60 years. Most of the tube failures I have had are from so called NOS tubes that tested like new, only to be put into service and failed shortly therafter. Then they are replaced with a 50 year old used tube that has no issues at all.
Brent
NOS, is a short for new old stock, right? New old stock is a phrase that has the meaning of; a product that has been produced many years ago and has a adequate age relative to products produced today, by other means OLD. NOS also means that the product has been stored in STOCK since production without any use since production day, preferably in the products original casing/box. This meaning that the product is in pristine condition and as brand NEW, never used, has the same capacity, function, value, what ever, and has been in storage since it was produced. Anything else is NOT NOS, PERIOD!If anyone can make this more clear please do.
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“If you don't like what you're doing, you can always pick up your needle and move to another groove.” Timothy Leary
Edits: 04/23/14
NOS means old production that has never been used. I think it fair to say that NOS tubes were used in the sellers tester. Usually these tubes come in original boxes that should be period correct. I have purchased 100 lots of tubes that were bulk packed and didnt come with original boxes, but this is not common.
If you see the term "NOS in white boxes" often from a seller I would beware. If there is any doubt, I use the term "tests as NOS". There are a number of "tells" that help determine the condition of a tube, but no single tell is enough. NOS is kind of like pregnancy.
The only way to a 100% reputation that is is to have uniformed and non discerning customers. Don't they say one is born every minute!
Althought there have been times when I have simply not left negative feedback fearing damage to my own. I am sure that I am not the only one who has this concern.
Steve
Well this makes absolutely no sense. Perhaps if you try again.
Are you sure you really need a well informed tube buying public to get good feedback. Check out this "Top Rated" Seller with 99.9% positives. Explaining the white cloudiness on the flashing as normal for tubes this age!
Steve
The vintage hazy tubes have been on Ebay for ages!!
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“If you don't like what you're doing, you can always pick up your needle and move to another groove.” Timothy Leary
This thread is quite good for the purpose to show stupid tube listings. Just look at this one, seller saying the tubes are NEW in the title and "Tubes have very low (if any) hours on them" in the description, go figure. Look at the burn marks on the inside of the inside of the glass. This shows heavy use and deposit from the anode and through the plate holes.
Another top-rated seller with 3276 sales!!Please give me permission to laugh.....
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“If you don't like what you're doing, you can always pick up your needle and move to another groove.” Timothy Leary
Edits: 04/25/14
No, the way to a 100% feedback is to have informed customers with a policy that ensures them a satisfactory transaction.
"I can't compete with the dead". (Buck W. 2010)
They were $299 buy it now a while back. I bet he got some e-mail questioning the getters. I would not buy tubes from this seller period.
A lot of sellers get tubes in boxes and automatically assume they are NOS (which means "new" old stock, which is different from "vintage", don't get me started).
I don't remember if it was this seller, but I posted a reply (I think in one of your threads) where someone advertised a NOS, NIB KT88 that was a Gold Lion with burned getter spots in a regular GEC box.
At least that particular seller gives a guarantee (which I stopped doing as an Ebay seller because of all the abuse).
The bottom line is look at what you are buying, and if something appears off then pass.
I've started using the terminology....Unused Old Stock and Used Old Stock. I still occasonally use NOS on new tubes, for search purposes, but I prefer Unused.
NOS is nothing, NOTHING short of a new tube that has never been put into service. There's way too much abuse of the NOS term.
"I can't compete with the dead". (Buck W. 2010)
Electronic flash sometime makes the getter flashing look that way. =:-0
WACOS (What a Crock of Shit)
"I can't compete with the dead". (Buck W. 2010)
I saw those a while back my call: B.S. I'm quite happy with new production 6550's.
I buy, sell, and handle a LOT of tubes, and I find used tubes in boxes all the time. When the servicer replaced the tubes he put the old tubes in the new boxes. Decades later they are discovered with an unknown history. It's irresponsible to put NOS and NIB in the title, and then back-pedal. All one has to do is say they are 'likely used' but test very high (if that's the case). That's an honest appraisal.
Pete
...and goes on to state that the possibility exists that they're used and so priced accordingly.
Used?
I'm not sure I would put them in a tester....
Those Getters indicate Worn to me...
Happy shopping
...I'd gladly put them in my equipment...no burn in required...but not anywhere near that price.
Steve
I have several NOS/NIB TungSol three holers and I have several used ones that test fine but they are milky around the getters with brown spots. They are very finicky and I put them in my Mac MC275 only to have them take out the 220 ohm screen resistor when they arced.Those tubes should not say NOS/NIB in the title because they clearly have been used.
Honest amplification is better than excessive 2nd order distortion anytime.
Mike, I'm curious and would to read the sellers response.
Cheers,
Al
Dear merccougar89,
Hi Mike,
I realize that the getter flashing on these tubes is worn and it could be caused for use or a slow leak. I addressed this issue in the description. We are a Top Rated Seller with 5/5 star ratings on thousands of transactions, and it's because we describe our tubes in depth.
Taken direct from the description:
"The getter flasing does has some white and brown around it with these tubes. These tubes did pass the gas and leaks test, it appears that they may have come from the factory this way or may have developed an extremely slow leak from sitting around for years. These tubes could possibly be used, it's a tough call. They are still guaranteed to sound great and are priced accordingly."
Honest amplification is better than excessive 2nd order distortion anytime.
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