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In Reply to: RE: Guess posted by jusbe on February 16, 2014 at 21:23:07
Jusbe
I joined the forum in 2005 and I would always remember the constantly displayed narrative that vintage tubes were best,and new production tubes sucked.Much of this was predicated on the Chinese tubes that were built from the mid 80s,to late 90s.What had happened was,Shuguang,which was owned by the Chinese government,quit building tubes in 1983 when things in China started changing.Shuguang was subbing their tube production out to aftermarket Chinese companies that didn't have the money nor the resources to build good tubes..This is why many people hate Chinese tubes.
Once the tube market took off again in the late 90s,Shuggie decided to get back in the game and build their own tubes once again..These of course were far better than those of the ones they subbed out however, some still haven't forgiven the Chinese for the shoddy tubes of the mids 80s to 90s,even tho Shuguang didn't build most of those tubes.
Anyway,when I would see people buying used vintage tubes at exorbitant prices,I would say to them,how do you ever expect new production tubes to get better in quality when you don't buy any so they have money to grow,invest,and make better tubes?
Finally,people did start buying new production Chinese and Russian tubes as vintage supplies have dried up.
In the case of Shuguang,Philips and Samsung are principle stockholders and they invest a good chunk of money in Shuggie I would guess...This explains Shuggie making the reproduction metal base Philips EL34, since Philips does own part of Shuguang and this is their original design.
You will no doubt be impressed with the KT77s,being the tube does everything right from top to bottom.
Honest amplification is better than 2nd order distortion anytime.
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The new production power tubes are quite good and we now are seeing NOS new production like SED Winged C command premium prices. The supply of quality vintage power tubes is small and the odds of buying junk are high.
Michael,
Thanks for your thoughts. Having been hanging around here since '99/2000, I know what you mean with respect to attitudes to tubes from The East. It's been instructive to see attitudes change as production has improved.
My interest is really in the absolute rather than relative quality of these new production tubes and it seems they have come far. The nice thing is, if I, like others, can sink enough money into a decent supply of these '77s, there's a good chance I may live to see them invest our money in even better production - I hope.
Spotted those new metal bases. Would be curious to know how those pan out as well.
big j.
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