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I started this as a complaint about 7316 prices, but realize it would be more interesting to hear from people which tubes they would have bought more of when prices were lower. I know everyone will say which one wouldn't you have bought?? but try to be reasonable and go back only a decade or so for prices and availability.
My rant
I sign up for e-mail alerts from ebay when 7316 tubes are first listed. Almost every time I see one for sale it is about $150-per. I have been collecting for almost 10 years I would guess and I used to pick these thinkgs up for maybe $30 a piece rarely more sometimes less. I bought some right here for very reasonable prices. To add insult to injury a lot of these tubes are regular 12AU7s which have been relabled. Oh well I am just ranting needed the release. I have enough of them I think for now and the future so who am I to complain.
I wish I bought as many Raytheon Windmill Getter 5751s!
Steve
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If all of you are buying these to use them, great. If you are speculating, I can suggest a place you can shove them. This is what killed the car hobby.
I am most definitely not buying to speculate. I have this awful feeling that if I don't buy them now I will never have them when I need them. This, is in part, clearly an irrational fear but I just can't help myself. The only reason I don't keep buying more of some tubes is the price. I have given away more tubes than I have sold by a long shot. When I do sell them I am always asking less than what I think is the actual market. Please do not accuse me of malice.
Steve
For me, it has been the E80CC/6085 gold pin Holland 1950's pinched waist variety. These luvable tubes were had for as little as $20 a pop. Should have purchased many many more back then. Nowadays, a matched pair fetches about $200.
The smart question is what to buy right now. If you want to speculate looks like you buy all the boring old high-demand guitar tubes like Mullard 12AX7s. And all the premium DHT output tubes like 10Y, 50, 45, 2a3 and now 46 creeping up in price.
What interests me is Russian stock. All that military stuff seemed to be endlessly available, but that may not last forever. 6N30-DR for instance is getting very expensive and rare.
Andy
Ya know what gets me. The 6C33B-C is no longer in production and hasn't been in a while. Some really good and very expensive amps use these tubes but there is a limited number around. What will LLamm, BAT and Joule Electra do for their customers. If I owned one of these amps I would buy a case or two of these tubes while I still can. I don't know how many hours they are rated for?
Steve
AVVT 2A3 Mesh
ever predicted that I would end up getting an amp that uses four WE 349 tubes. I wish there were a cheap way to stock up on those.
nt
it is THE amp that Deja Vu Audio was using for the big system with the horns in a Jensen Imperial look-alike cabinet. The amp is shown in Enjoy the Music's on-line coverage of the show.
I happen to own the preamp that was also used by Deja Vu at the show. The two work well together because the preamp has transformer outputs that are matched to the transformer inputs of the amp.
Thanks for sharing your preamp and amp at the show. I guess that's what I heard the previous weekend at Vu's store as well. They sounded very nice together especially at the store. The overall sound was not quite as good at the show but I'm sure the small room was a factor.
Will the new amp replace your Audio Note 2A3 or is it just an alternative?
it is an alternative. Both have their strengths. The Kageki delivers a longer and more natural sounding decay to notes and a more open top end. The 133A amp delivers a punchier sound and tighter bottom end, but is a bit drier sounding (less reverb). The 133A is a pushpull amp and it does sound like one, so the does come down to good pushpull vs. good SET sound.
That makes sense. I am in a similar situation. I have a SE 46 amp (1 watt) that sounds very nice and is always an interesting contrast with the Emotive Vitas which are my main push-pull amps. With KT-120s, the Emotives have about 50w so there is a major power difference. Sonically, however, each has strengths.
My speakers were inspired by what I've heard at Vu's. I have a Jensen P15LL that crosses over at 1200Hz to an Altec/Western Electric 32 horn with an Altec 802-8G driver. The cabinet is a bass reflex so I get deeper bass extension than Vu's 753 variations. I am sure a nice 713 driver would be a big improvement, but that's not likely to happen.
Mullard 12AX7 long plate. I have not seen NOS in at least 10 years.
Mullard or Amperex GZ34's. RCA or GE 7189A's.
GZ34's Mullard a while back.
The Elaborate DAC=Johnny's Balloon Meshplate 27 Balanced Preamp=Balanced Six Pacs=Newform Research 645
iRiver H140/MB Balanced dac/amp/Ultrasone Ed. 9/JH13 Pro IEM's
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nos gz37 ten years ago when I though 50$ was too dear! Why cant the chinese make a good gz37?
Why can't the Chinese make some great XYZ123 tubes. That is not just an idle question. Why does it seem that the old US and Western European tubes sound better than what the Chinese make today. I don't think people would truly suggest that even the Treasures and Psvanes are actually better sounding than the better NOS tubes that are so highly prized.
I must say though, that I have been impressed with the Russian made GL KT-88s and appear not to be alone. The price of NOS British GLs while still very high has dropped it seems as a result of these better current production tubes. It does give one hope that truly fine tubes can still be made if there is a market willing to pay relatively high prices. The Easter European m hand made tubes are another example. The trick is getting a mass production tube to sound as good as a NOS long plate Blackburn Mullard 12AX7!
Steve
No one has figured out how to build a vintage sounding Mullard 12AX7 long plate. The Mullard is not exactly as ultra clear sounding as a Brimar CV4004, but still has all the details & is more musical.
come on, stay honest! people who claim not to enjoy the rising worth of their vintage tubes ring hollow in my ears. i collected any vintage tube for low frequency purposes i could get over a decade now (ECC.., EL.., EF...and many other types) and hope these tiny masterpieces will some days extend my pension...
reissues: why purchase new built tubes - rudely increased in prices meanwhile - when you can get an original? who would ever be happy with a porsche 550 (j. dean) or mercedes 300sl (gull-wing doors) when it is just a remake? would you? i would not...
N.
The times, they are changing...
As I said I rarely sell and can't seem to charge enough to make a profit even if I wanted to. Yes theoretically some of the tubes I have that are desired such as the Sylvania triple mica blackplate 5751s that I have as NOS NIB are worth considerably more than I paid for them. I don't mind knowing I don't have to pay a high price to buy them if I need them but I want to keep them. Maybe someday someone will have to pry my cold dead hands open to get them.
Steve
A pair of true NOS 6900's.
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