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In Reply to: RE: Are these genuine Siemens EL34s? posted by diamondsouled on June 08, 2012 at 17:35:10
No, another eBay scam.
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I am in no way affiliated with the seller, but it is NOT a scam. These are labeled Siemens and legit tubes. Siemens never made their own EL34 so all Siemens are relabeled. These just don't happen to be the typical RFT relabled Siemens. When did Siemens stop distributing tubes, early 90's so these are around that time (my best guess).
These are late Tesla E34L's or early JJ Tesla E34L's. Still nice tubes but IMO, they are overpriced. In my experience with these tubes they are of better build quality than current JJ tubes.
He discloses right in the description that these are of "Unknown European Origin"
Anytime you buy tubes on the internet you need to do your own due diligence and ask questions, etc. I have bought other tubes from Langrex and he is totally above board.
Hope this helps
Man you guys are like sharks. Throwing the words "scam and counterfeit" around without doing one iota of research. I know I don't post a lot here, but I anm an avid lurker and have been for several years. It disappoints me to see information just flippantly posted.
If you do more research you will find Groove Tubes as well as Harma which is distributed by Watford Valves also relabel this tube and sell it as their own, hardly a counterfeit. They don't disclose where it comes from.
Here is an EL34 test link done by Watford Valves and you'll see the Harma STR gets high marks. This is the *exact* same tube Langrex is selling labeled Siemens and the same as the current and past JJ E34L
http://www.watfordvalves.com/cgi-bin/documents/testreport_46.pdf
Page 1, right column at the bottom under heading EL34/E34L/Harma STR
This is the exact same tube Langrex is selling which Siemens distributed.
The original Siemens will take 800 volts DC on the plate. JJ will not.
Put it this way. The true Siemens are like Porsche auomobiles (takes 800 volts on plate). A VW is not a Porsche. The seller has a lot of nerve to suggest taking a stock VW to a sports car track & suggesting the driver to have a potential 1st place win. That is an insult to engineers that appreciate tubes like the original Siemens EL34 or Porsche automobiles.
The word scam is a bit heavy handed because the listing clearly states that origin of the tube is unknown. It was distributed by Siemens.
There is another listing from same seller, it is 12ax7, the description is very appropriate too.
I am not trying to defense him. I just see it from a different angle. As far as I know, Langrex is one big tube seller from UK, their "A" grade tubes are very expansive. If you find something from this shop look kind of reasonable, it is probably "import".
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The discription is elusive. I would never post anything like it & charge $200 on a mabby. Hello!
The construction is the same as an older Shuagang tube. The seller admits this is a "possibility". Clearly that language is not strong enough and he knows it, it is sad to see.
Steve
the genuine one from his shop is over $ 100/pc.
when compare to many sellers try to sell junk for premium price, the way they listed their stuff, I am ok with it. If anyone expect to pay such amount of money for a quad of genuine Simens EL34, CV4004, that person needs to do more homework before joining the game.
my 2 cents.
I buy these for $120 a pair.
Agree to a certain point. Thing is with this hobby is that there is a lot to learn to even have a fairly basic understanding; and it never seems to end, even once you start feeling like you're beginning to get it. Guess that's what makes it so interesting.
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