Hi, to whom it may concern.
I am pleased to have aroused some overwhelming reaction on cryogenics & deep-freeze on audios. Strange to say, this is a NOT new technology at all. It is a decades-young business.
To make the long story short, yes, my humble 30C deep-freeze treatments done couple years back to my audios was, IMO, a little tweak to improve sound. It is NO way to replace or even to compare with industrial cryogenics (-190C/310F) in a liquid-nitrogen
The bottom line of this little tweak is - it works for mine, period.
Whoever wants to improve the sound of its rigs can follow what I
have done, with no money involved, & with NO guarantee of success as
it depends on how analytical is the rig involved. A lousy rig may not show the sonic improvement.
put the parts/components/cables/wires, or whatever
in a zipper polybag, squeeze out the air, & seal it airtight.
Airtight is to prevent condensation inside the bag.
store the bags of materials in the frig at 0C for 24 hours
preferrably in a constant temperature environment, e.g basement.
put very quickly the bagged materials into a freezer in the
basement at -30C minimum & store there for 48 hours.
(4) during the deep-freeze period, do NOT touch or move the bagged
materials to prevent likely physical damage to plastic/rubber/
synthetic part of the materials which can become very brittle at
deep sub-zero temps.
(5) Post deep-freeze:
move back immediately the bagged material to the frig at 0C & store there for 24 hours. Make sure the moving is very STEADY & swift. NO shaking or jerking of the bagged materials at all. I recommend a plastic box to hold the bagged materials during the entire deep-freeze to facilitate transit of the bagged materials from freezer back to frig.
(6) Warm-up to ambient temp:
wrap up the bagged materials in thick comforters or blankets for
12 hours. I recommend throwing into the bundle a couple of frozen
jelly packs to slow down the warm-up.
Constant temperature environment is highly recommended, e.g. in the basement.
That is what I have been doing in deep-freezing my audio stuffs.
I just borrow the idea of slow temp-ramping of cryogenics. I works with my audios.
It reveals more inner details of the music textrues, improves the
over sonic perspectsives, e.g soundstage dimensions, airs, image
sharpness, etc etc. IMO, it is a healthy step towards better sounds.
Its costs one nothing, except a few days' patience. What the hack!
To make the deep-freeze more enjoyable, I also 'brask-in' the newly
cold treated parts/components with white noise for 24 hours non-stop.
Good deep-freeze listening
Jan 22, 2004.
PS: It is another heathy touch to audio by feeding them with white
noise from time to time, to 'flush out' any residual sonic
contaminations in the system.
For new equipment, we call it 'breaking-in'. It is found
particularly crucial for interconnects, power cords & speaker
cables. For DIYs, inside hook-up wires should be run-in before
soldering in. Or simply 'break-in' the newly completed amp with
white noise into a dumpy speaker load for a few days before
auditioning it .... if you got the patience!
I read some blind-test challenge to cryoing or deep
freeze from some nay-sayers. Why don't they just try it out
first & prove it invalid subjectively before yelling & stamping
their feet, simply on speculation? Bear in mind a lousy system
may not show it works!
'A lousy rig may not show the sonic improvement.'
What a cop-out ! That's the most obvious thing to say .
COME ON JACK ! Lets see some DIY designs or sensible discussions using devices relevant to this forum , like valves !
ps Does your $100 amp show up these so called benefits ?
As I already said, try it first before you yell, big mouth!
Do I need to waste my time on those sour grapes. You know I am running two businesses, one is design/manufacture cables & wires, e.g. the wires you are using in your OWN deisigns. Oooooops!
"Let see some DIY design or sensible discussion using devices relevant
to this forum, like valves?"
Buddy, you must be mssing a lot. You want to make a search on my
"discussion using devices relevant to this forum, like valves"?
Or you are too busy to play with your OWN "DIY designs" like a toddler forgets its mom while playing toys.
I must be missing bigtime as well. No wonder I have not get the 'previlege' of reading ANY of YOUR OWN diy designs, YET. Show me
just ONE of your OWN valve design that I do NOT know. HAhahaha....
If my "$100 amp shows up these so called benefits", would someone
toss out the costly amps of its OWN desisgn & go back to school to learn elementary electrons? Wanna bet? HAhahahaa.....
COME ON FABOTTLE ! Stand & deliver. The whole world is listening.
Jan 23, 2004.
PS: Mind your language, too. I don't want your OWN diy designs you are going to present to us so as to "benefit" the whole world, got deleted! The moderator is watching.
--- You know I am running two businesses, one is design/manufacture cables & wires ---
If you have a related bussiness you shouldn't register as an "music lower"
cheap-Jack - Music Lover/Audiophile
Toronto, Canada, Canada
If you have two, then… Well…
We write & speak English & French here in Canada. Sour grape!
That "vintage" "British" "voodoo rubbish" character must be your
kissing cousin. Right?
Jan 26, 2004.
'The moderator is watching.'
...and he's having a bloody good laugh at your postings like the rest of us !
ps All my wire is of vintage British manufacture , none of your voodoo rubbish here , thanks
...just one valve design of your OWN! Can't come up with one?
Scared? Or too "vintage" to show us, like your "British" "voodoo rubbish" there? Or you want to go back to school to learn your elementary electronics & copy one out here to show the world?
COME ON FATBOTTLE. You have made you a "bloody" "laughing stock of tube DIY"
HAhahahahaha......... I gonna laugh my head OFF!!!!!!
Jan 26, 2004.
PS: Non, excursez moi.
I nearly forget your 'OWN' "British" 'design of the century' you presentesd here recently: valve biasing with battery! WOW! So what battery type & make you recommend - must be "British" made. Right? How soon we need to replace it? Oooooops!
So after seven years of valve projects I'm yet to design one myself , eh ? In that case try finding a schematic that uses 7236 , EL822 , 14N7 , S11E12 , I've built with all of these valves within the last six months so if I'm yet to design anything myself I must have copied someone elses then unless you suggest otherwise or can find schematics using these valves ? SE , parafeed SE , CCS parafeed SE , SRPP SE , PP AB1 , PP class A , CCS fully differential class A PP , I've built them all , have you ? Whats wrong with battery biasing then ? If it's 'elementary school stuff' then you have obviously tried it already and can vouch for the sonics . Please keep the xenophobic cynical comments to yourself , your just demeaning yourself . I don't post my amp schematics on the audioasylum but there are plenty of my power supply , output stage and current source schematics available in the archives . You obviously have not looked and can laugh your head off or whatever , up to you . What was the last valve project you built ? Perhaps you should post some of your projects instead of trying to start flame wars with all and sundry over subjective tweaks that can not be proved or have any technical foundation whatsoever . Maybe English is not your first language and you just don't understand (or get it) , I don't know .
Even Peter Belt would dismiss this clown's claims as 'utter bollox'
I don't see any relevence of these claims to valves either
Maybee whe shall ask this cheepie to try to give his brain the deep freeze treatment.
If it works the proof will be in posting some usable information from him all of a sudden…
Me fail english, thats unpossible!
Hang on , it DOES work . Look , I've even risked a NOS longplate Mullard ECC83 . It seems as if the 'niceness' button has been pushed , 'musicality' and microdynamics are astounding . WOW ! This is the tweak of the century ! ZERO risk and if your rigs no good it will be excellent in a glass with a shot of single-malt over it ;)
> > ...a lousy rig may not show the sonic improvement.> >
Same exact story being replayed in the audio world.
The Emperor's New Clothes should be required reading for audio types.
You got to be a bigger fool to have "same exact story being replayed in the audio world" here.
The author & its agents will go after you. You got consent from them yet? If not, run or they'll get you! Oooooooops.
HAHAhahaha.... I gonna laugh my head OFF!!!!
I bow to your obviously superior knowledge and wit.
You really showed me.
WOW, what a 'compliment'!
AA is to a place for free exchange of ideas & experiences. NOT intended for personal attacks.
If one doesn't like whoever's post, leave it alone or comment creatively, ideally with substantiation, so that other inmates can share. This is the spirit of AA.
Nobody is perfect, & knows everything correctly. Surely, one doesn't NEED to launch personal attacks to express its opinion however
ridiculous the posts may sound to itself. Things have different
viewing angles. What one considers absurd can sound perfect to others.
Just like HiFi.
We should be thankful to our moderators here who are so lenient with all these stones throwing, fingers pointing & names calling. Moderators of other achives, e.g. Cable Asylum, Propeller Head Plaza, etc. are so much tougher on inmates' misconducts.
I am not perfect. Nobody is. I do & will show ZERO tolerance towards whoever's personal attacks to me. I'll pursue full retaliation upon any such misconducts. Word by word. Phase by phase! I do & will make whoever initiates personal attacks to me look dirt cheap & miserable. 'Cause I am only human, like everybody else.
Jan 27, 2004.
I was pointing out the obvious parallel between that story and when golden-eared audio types say, "What, you can't hear how much better that sounds? Well then your rig/ears aren't good enough to tell the difference." I was pointing out that this is exactly the same thing that happens in the Emperor's story - hucksters claim that the new suit of clothes they are making for the Emperor cannot be seen by fools, and everyone plays along not wanting to be called a fool for not seeing the clothes.
Just pointing out a parallel to an old story.
I won't be freezing any cables or tubes in the near future.
Every kid reads this fable though I can't say every adult watched
this Enlgish play.
Again you missed my point. I say it agian: even if one doesn't
like whoever's post, leave it alone. One doesn't NEED to call that
poster a "fool". Right? You want me to call you a "fool" next time
when you post something? I will if you do it again to whoever it will be - in much worse language than "a fool".
Jan 28, 2004.
I did not call you a fool, I was quoting from the text in the story where the huxters say that those who cannot see the new clothes must be fools.
I was comparing your statement "a lousy rig may not show the sonic improvement" to the statement "fools may not be able to see the Emperor's new clothes."
Dead horse sufficiently beaten.
until I heard some hardwood upside down pyramids could do under a cd player...
You can laugh all you want...But in dhtrob.com 's system...the difference was as clear as daylight. (Am sure I won't hear a difference in my system...YET)
Before that I would have put up a broad smile and would just nod knowingly and say to the person who would tell such a story..."I believe you"..But think to myselfd...THIS guy is nuts.
"Am SURE I WON'T hear the difference in my system...YET"
Surely "I believe you". I believe you are a fortune teller & a 'dumpy-deafy', too.
HAHAhahaahh..... I gonna laugh my head OFF!!!
Good deafy 'listening'
Jan 26, 2004.
"Make sure the moving is very STEADY & swift. NO shaking or jerking"
There goes my friday night plans:D
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