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In Reply to: RE: I'll be the outlier here posted by Tre' on November 23, 2015 at 22:42:21
I often read about "bass slam" and I don't subscribe to it because....... I'm a bass player.
Maybe I don't need to hear that much bass - I know what it does, and I can fill in a lot of its function in my head. Kind of "the shoemakers children have no shoes..."
But another reason is that what I want to hear is clean and well defined bass with TONE rather than "slam". I play double bass and that actually doesn't have much "slam" - the response is pretty even right down from top to bottom.
"Slam" is usually artificial - electronically boosted bass as in Reggae etc. It's an effect, and not a product of acoustic instruments.
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"Slam" is usually artificial - electronically boosted bass as in Reggae etc. It's an effect, and not a product of acoustic instruments.
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Nope thats not slam and it has nothing to do with reggae ... :)
Go Rossi ......
When I think of "slam" I think of the Ravel/Moussorgsky Pictures at an Exhibition - particularly the final Great Gate of Kiev section, with some very enthusiastic orchestral bass drums. Or the 1812 overture with its cannon shots. It's an impulse sound, with a very high peak pressure requiring a lot of momentary acoustic energy at very low frequencies. Huge transformer inductance helps - many SETs have a power bandwidth that falls off below 50Hz - but loud bass impulses are still likely to place the most severe power requirements on an amplifier.
It is often claimed the tube watts (especially SET watts) are somehow bigger than solid-state watts. IMHO that's just because SETs overload gracefully, so you can operate them into occasional overload without noticing. Big bass transients expose their limitations, partly because the frequency range between the bass transient and the midrange is too great for the ear's masking effect to cover up the distortion.
Tre: "Andy, to me the whole point of a custom system is to not have to "fill in a lot [] in my head". It should just all be there. "LOL. Pretty hard to argue with that.
I just think "slam" is totally the wrong word for an acoustic bass, amplified or not. It suggests that the bass is boosted, which as you and I know it shouldn't be. I'd be much happier with a different word, but that's what's in current usage.
Edits: 11/24/15
I agree, it was a bad choice of a word.
"proper authority" is better.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
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Like "Shut Yo Mouth" with Major Holley, Dick Hyman and Oliver Jackson.
Not slam. But a nice solid "wump" not "waaUMPth"
Tone, attacks and decays. If those aren't right it drives me nuts.
Maybe I used the wrong word.
I'm a recording engineer, I know what both electric and acoustic instruments sound like.
Use whatever word you want, IMO SET does not do bass correctly for the 3 reasons I gave.
Maybe I should have said "All the magic (in the mids and highs) and all the proper authority in the bass".
Andy, to me the whole point of a custom system is to not have to "fill in a lot [] in my head". It should just all be there.
My intent wasn't to argue the point, but to share my experience and technical knowledge.
IMO (and according to my technical understanding) flea powered SET's don't do bass correctly and I will not be convinced otherwise. Ive been there, done that.
Peace and Happy Thanksgiving.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
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