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In Reply to: RE: Too lazy/busy for DIY posted by tube wrangler on June 07, 2009 at 12:04:57
57 1/8 or multiple of. Is this related to SWR or standing wave ratio that I pay close attention to in RF (radio frequency) applications.
It's just one of those things that work well. I'm not pretending to be able to calculate all of the musical frequency rise points-- those would be different for different kinds of music anyhow.
In any case, there would simply be too many of them-- you could get one calculation right-- for a certain condition, and then the wire would be off for other considerations-- during the same piece of music!
So, this is not like R.F. where you are calculating for a certain frequency. In music, you have a smorgasbord of frequencies-- all at once, all the time you're playing music.
I think it's just a compromise-- where more things go right more often than for other lengths-- when carrying varying music signals.
One thing I have not done is to find out if this is just a reaction to miniscule amounts of 60 HZ or 120 HZ stuff (or multiples thereof) that is a contamination accidently carried by the wire. (disregarding where the wire may have picked it up from).
So, really, it's not completely thought out-- why the effects occur.
They do, however, and so I leave you with a mystery: why?
---Dennis---
"So, really, it's not completely thought out-- why the effects occur.They do, however, and so I leave you with a mystery: why?"
If you can't explain it then we only have your word on it.
And your word is questionable after all you've said.
Most of what you say just sounds like gobbleygoop to normal, rational people.
You and Jeff really need to get a grip on reality. You both seem to live in a dream world.
Say "hi" to the fairy godmother for me.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Edits: 06/10/09
I stand amazed. Gobbledegook!
And normal, rational people! Tre, there are many normal rational people. And normally they understand simple, honest, rational commentary very well.
Why don't you?
---Dennis---
"understand simple, honest, rational commentary very well."
I understand that most of what you say is BS.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
hey-Hey!!!,
----"So, really, it's not completely thought out-- why the effects occur.
They do, however, and so I leave you with a mystery: why?"
I would go so far as to question this part: They do...
So far all we have is what appears by all his writings to be a high caliber snake oil salesman. He's at least a salesman, and the rest is not far behind by all the evidence he's presented.
cheers,
Douglas
Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.
Yeah, I can't wait to hear this too!
Edits: 06/08/09
All of Bob Fulton's wiring were in multiples and divisors of that length Gusser. Its a shame you never were on the scene to meet him, he was one of audio's best, very best, IMHO.
Jeff Medwin
OK, now we have magic length wire?????? Oh brother.
At this point nothing surprises me.
Carry on.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Substituting politics for simple physics again, are we?Go ahead! It's your own equipment you have to listen to....
---Dennis---
Edits: 06/10/09
Dennis, just what are the physics involved in 57.125" wire lengths?
Fairy dust. Don't choke on it.
Too late, you already have!!
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
'Simple physics'
It's not obvious to me what principal of physics applies here. Can you explain?
P.S. I had a couple of courses in physics in college and grad school, but can't recall any principal that relates.
It's kind of like Motocross or Jet-Ski racing (both of which I love).
When you generously give away a great tip you learned before you won the last race, the competitors don't want to hear about it!
You are an idiot! (They HOPE).
It's Standard Human Behavior-- being blind while observing the glories of Nature.
Of course, you can be blind at your own expense. The guy who gave you the insight is not responsible for your failure to be interested in it.
This isn't all bad as it just lets the generous tip giver use that advantage a little while longer, until competition is finally forced to explore it.
By then, of course, you've got new stuff which is even better.
They NEVER LEARN.. No problem-- It's ALWAYS BEEN Standard Human Behavior. It is boring- and that is why guys like myself reveal a little bit now and then-- we enjoy life more when the competition gets better.
---Dennis---
What principal of physics applies to using 57.125" wire in audio?
It's not a hard question, unless you do not know the answer.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
That wasn't much of an answer. In fact, it wasn't an answer at all.
Whatever ...
"that is why guys like myself reveal a little bit now and then" . . . for these pearls of wisdom? You are in a forum of learned, experienced people and yet you choose to talk down to them? Your humility is breathtaking, Dennis.
I would never talk down to any of you-- learned or not.
And learned, I do not question.
EFFECTIVE is what I might very well question. DESIRABLE and effective.
I do, however, have an obligation to my fellow man to be honest. I also have an obligation to my customers and to this forum-- to give only that which really does work well, and which also, will not compromise the trust that people place in me to build the very best.
I don't have to do these discussions, as I have nothing to gain from them, since I never mention my company name or its products by name.
There are, however, some great advances that have been made that can benefit the DIY person-- so why shouldn't he have those?
---Dennis---
Tre,
Never did I say "majic" length, those are your words not mine.
We have had this for about thirty years now, you just never knew about it.
Jeff
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