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In Reply to: Just DON'T ask for opinion. Re: Thanks-now more confused (nt) posted by Alex on January 11, 2001 at 13:46:52:

I would modify that to say "*in the END*, only your ears count." That is to say, your subjective experience and your enjoyment are what ultimately matter.
HOWEVER, there is much to gain from other people's experiences and opinions. No one person can experience all there is to offer -- the world would be a much poorer place if everybody went their own way and did not share or learn from each other.
The key is to be able to accept contradicting statements as merely another person's perspective -- the result of that person's unique set of experiences. If you can understand that you can integrate seemingly contradictory opinions with your own knowledge and be so much the wiser.
Maybe it's because I attend UC Berkeley, but I am increasingly bothered by people who only see things their own way. Narrow-minded people who refuse to acknowledge the possible validity of others' experiences more often than not prove themselves to be bigots.
Andrew

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More... Alex 10:54:34 01/12/01 (1)
> "Maybe it's because I attend UC Berkeley, but I am increasingly bothered by people who only see things their
own way. Narrow-minded people who refuse to acknowledge the possible validity of others' experiences
more often than not prove themselves to be bigots." <
I've attended one of the most liberal university myself too.
I would hardly be considered a "narrow-minded" person by any mean. In fact. I will give almost anything a try, and I never comment on anything that I have no personal experience of.
I found some are recommanding gears based on "good reviews" that they've read, but without actually owning the said gears totally unacceptable.
Same with those robotic reviewers based solely on measured results.
Good measurment is good, but it does not really tells how the gear will actually sound with *MUSIC*.
Test tones are pure fundamental tones. Music is full of harmonics - distortions if compares directly yo the pure test tones.
Measured SPL is not that important either. Do you really want 120 dB SPL at 20 Hz playing in your home?
I hope not, if you treasure your hearing.
And the reason why we get into audio, or any hobby at all is for enjoyment. Why turn it into a never ending quest for following the latest hypes and trends. Or fulfilling somebody's opinion?
I totally recommand to get the very best gears that you can afford. Buying crappy cheap stuff is a waste of time, money and energy. Just buy whatever is the best (But not necessarily the most expensive) within your budget is the best way to go. It's much cheaper and more enjoyable on the long run.
The best way is to gather all the gears from manufacturers/dealers that have full money back refund home auditioning policies, and see for yourself.
As soon as I can find some room. I'll order and try the Swan's Diva 6.1 myself. It's relatively risk free (just pay for shipping) since they offer a 30 days home audition garrentee.
I also bought the Odyssey Stratos amps (10 days home audition) this way. Can not be happier with the purchase. Now I am a 100% satisfied Odyssey Stratos customer/user.
I think more manufacturers should adopt this kind of policy.
Happy listening.
Alex
- Still more. Being human... Alex 11:42:01 01/12/01 (0)
  > "Maybe it's because I attend UC Berkeley, but I am increasingly bothered by people who only see things
  their
  own way. Narrow-minded people who refuse to acknowledge the possible validity of others' experiences
  more often than not prove themselves to be bigots." <
  Indeed. People *should* acknowledge and *RESPECT* others' point of views.
  However. You'll never find out the true *UNTIL* you have personally experienced the same event. And your own findings maybe be very different from what the others have experienced.
  Because everybody is not the same. Each person is unique in his/her own way. Each wanting different things in life.
  Isn't that what part of being human is all about?
  Unless that person is a pre-programmed robot, or clueless idiot.
  No flame intended.
  Happy listening.
  Alex
Agree. But... Re: that's not quite right... Alex 10:30:56 01/12/01 (0)
Unless the people who reply know exactly what the poster wants.
Sound is a very personal and discriminating preception. No? :-)
That's why there're so many different manufacturers trying to find their own market nitch.
Alex
Re: that's not quite right... NickR 07:38:44 01/12/01 (4)
[[Maybe it's because I attend UC Berkeley, but I am increasingly bothered by people who only see things their own way.]]
Hmmm, like the people who insist that everyone should be broad-minded?
- Re: that's not quite right... AndrewH 11:22:23 01/12/01 (2)
  Please point out where I insisted that everyone should be broadminded.
  - Re: that's not quite right... NickR 11:40:54 01/12/01 (1)
    You said:
    [[Maybe it's because I attend UC Berkeley, but I am increasingly bothered by people who only see things their own way. Narrow-minded people who refuse to acknowledge the possible validity of others' experiences more often than not prove themselves to be bigots]]
    Perhaps I misunderstand. I read "see things their own way" and "narrow-minded" as meaning the same thing.
    Your position - that narrow-minded is bad - is *your own way* of seeing things.
    If you can't allow someone else to maintain a narrow-minded position then you are only seeing things in your own way.
    So, if I misunderstood I will apologize.
    - Re: that's not quite right... AndrewH 14:20:08 01/12/01 (0)
      There's nothing wrong with "seeing things in [one's] own way". Everyone does that. However, I have a problem with people _ONLY_ seeing things in their own way. I consider this to be narrow minded and I believe they do prove themselves to be bigots. There was a dealer I visited recently who exemplified this. I consider his strong opinions to be narrow-minded and bigoted because 1) he contradicted himself many times 2) he made ad hominem attacks on a well-known audio designer and 3) he ignored or attacked every opinion I ventured.
      I suppose, if one were truly open minded, one would allow bigots to be bigots because they have a right to be bigots. This does not preclude one expressing a distaste for dealing with said bigots. I believe I can say that I have a problem with bigots without being narrow minded or bigoted myself.
      If I made a blanket statement like "All bigots deserve to die" then perhaps I would be a hypocritical, narrow-minded bigot myself.
      Hope this clears things up.
      Andrew
- I'm afraid... Re: that's not quite right... Alex 11:16:33 01/12/01 (0)
  I'm afraid, and sorry to say that the trend is turning people into robots, and "Me too's!"
  It seems to me that many are brain washed into either going for the most advertised, and gimmicks ladened junk, or the most hyped and expensive, sometimes - rip-off stuff. Especially in audio.
  It'll take a lot of wading to wade through all the hypes and gimmicks, to find the few gems hidden within the mess.
  Maybe individuality is becoming a thing of the past! :-(
  Alex

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