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Hello,
I am considering to purchase a used Verity Fidelio (not Encore) speakers that was built in 2001. I have never heard them but I have heard the Parsifal at CES and although I could not give a serious listening Parsifal was the best sound I had heard at the show. I will get to listen to the Verity's before I purchase (may not be the best room setup) but I was wondering if buying $2700 speakers that is 16 years old a smart decision? Can't I get a newer speaker with similar sound qualities? Thanks for your feedback.
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KOCA-
I have always wanted to demo Verity Audio speakers.
I would certainly consult Verity about the availability of replacement drivers and cross-overs, prior to, any purchase.
What happens if you get them home and they don't work out in your room with your amplification? I doubt you'll be able to avoid reselling them at a loss. Newer speakers, depending upon which ones, might be a little better in that respect, though you'll still lose money.However, I don't blame you for wanting Verity speakers. A few years ago I felt the same way after a couple of shows where I heard the Parsifal. They are truly amazing speakers. But I knew I couldn't afford them and knew they were too large for my room. So I considered the same speaker you're looking at. I was never able to hear a pair. I decided that if I ever were going to buy Verity speakers it would be the ones I knew I wanted rather than settling for something that seemed to me to be cut from a lesser cloth. I eventually ended up with speakers I like very, very much.
But that's just me. At least you'll be able to hear them. Good luck but keep in mind there are a good number of new speakers that might work just as well for you. I hope you'll let us know what happens. I'm certainly curious.
Thanks,
Gary
Edits: 01/20/17
@Gary: Exactly! I do want Verity speakers since I have heard the Parsifals at CES 2000. They were always very expensive for me and finally I am close to get Verity speakers that I can afford (still barely). I am almost certain I will like the Fidelios but I do have risks such as not working in my room like you mentioned. Not an easy call especially when they are still pretty expensive.
I will definitely write here what happens.
BTW, what is your current speakers? I am curious.
I have the Ryan Speakers R620. I bought them after after hearing them at RMAF 2014. I've never regretted the purchase. They're wonderful speakers.
Good luck.
If you like them and can get them for 2 grand you should go for it! Here is some info in case you don't have!
Thanks! I have read pretty much everything there is on the net about them:) I agree with you and others. They may be great speakers but I will probably be their last owner or I will sell them (if I have to) to someone for a lot cheaper than I purchased. $2000 seems right even less if I can. We'll see.
and no longer in the line.
I wouldn't pay anywhere near the $2500 price you mention for a speaker that could have been had for a bit more than twice that when new (yes, it listed for more but nobody pays list price for speakers if they own half a brain).
Me?
I'd call the manufacture to insure that replacement drivers are available (mid driver claims to be 'custom'), and if the maintain parts for the year and version you plan to buy. If the manufacturer shows little interest in helping you consider giving the opportunity a pass.
Getting parts is critical to owning speakers.
Reply from the manufacturer: Regarding the repair, of course it depends of how far in time are we talking about. What I can say, is that currently, we do have replacement units available and we do expect to have some for the upcoming 5 years or so at least.
I think speakers at this age needs to be 75% off. I think I should pay $2000 max.
75% off of the new price 16 years ago? It is not realistic to expect all used audio equipment to follow some kind of fixed pricing structure. Reputation and desirability (demand) also comes in to it. As does monetary inflation which should not be overlooked - otherwise you are expecting a kind of double discount ( the original owner paid with the value of the dollar twenty years ago, not today - every $1000 spent then is worth $1356 now).So $2K? If the seller agrees then fine, that's bargaining, but don't necessarily expect it.
Edits: 01/20/17
I agree there is no rule of thumb.
Look at what 20 year old McIntosh gears sells for. Even Bob Carver Sunfire stereo amps from 20 years ago are getting 75% of original msrp.
Speakers do tend to loose more value as they age.
Yes indeed and some used items cost more now than their list price at the time of manufacture. Including some speakers.
Think of a pair of Quad ESLs manufactured in, say, 1969. They were roughly 114 gbp a pair in thier homeland (actual price was 54 gns each - then they were sold singly). That's about $140. If anyone can find a good pair of them for $140 then they are more than in luck! With the OP's reckoning they ought to be around $35 a pair or less. Over here currently they sell for the equivalent of around $1000 plus.
Of course Garrard 301 and 401 turntables now cost considerably more than their original price.
Just some examples there of why monetary inflation has to be accounted for.
I have concluded that what the OP really means is that he can't afford them.
Just curious... is it smart to discuss your price negotiating strategy in a public forum?
:)
I've read a book or two on negotiating strategy and spent some years in sales. Let's just say public disclosure prior to negotiating with the other party isn't typical.
KOCA-
what other gear, including cabling, is in your system?
I listened to them connected to Octave V40 amp and AVM CD player/high end turntable. Very good equipment and of course it played the best with the LPs and good recorded CDs played good and bad ones played REALLY bad. Like it is supposed to, trash in trash out.
I cannot say I was WOWed and I was there with my wife who I trust her ears more than mine. She was not TOO impressed either. Though, definitely they sound better than my Audio Note AZ-1 and Elac UB5s.
I must say though, the speakers (although the equipment was top notch) were not set up properly. Big Wilson Audio speakers were there. Tight space. So, I am not going to say I cannot be wowed with them when set up properly.
@PAR: Yes, it is very expensive for me. I do know some products go above their original/market value but Verity Audio products are no classic (not yet at least).
@mlsstl: There is no negotiating here, I was just telling my opinion. It is just speakers. I cannot pay $2700 for them.
@fantja: My current setup (speakers are above), Logitech Squeezebox Touch, DH Labs BL1 interconnects, Harmonic Tech speaker cables, Chord Mojo DAC and TPA3116 Digital Amp.
TY- KOCA
very few people know how (or care enough) to set up loudspeakers correctly.
This is an art unto itself. Happy Listening!
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