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In Reply to: RE: Marten Speakers posted by RGA on January 16, 2017 at 16:04:02
So when you plunk the Kef's or the AN speaker into your room , you never adjust or tweak after the first couple of Hrs. So you basically drop them and are done ..
Good speakers then ...
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And I may also adjust the seating arrangement - but do you not think that GOOD dealers don't spend a lot of time adjusting where the speaker should be cited in their rooms. Or the manufacturers when they set up rooms at a show - and it is often the manufacturer - it is Richard Vandersteen himself or Mr. Sanders (Sander Sound) or Mr. Wilson himself in these rooms setting up their speakers. Surely the man who designs the speaker can set them up better than you? No? I mean if he doesn't know how to set them up he's incompetent and you would not want to give money to an incompetent?I have had my AN E and KEF LS-50 set up both on the long walls and short walls - I have toed them in out and even tilted the Kef's up and down. Close to corners away from corners - but it always sounds like a KEF LS-50 and an AN E- you aren't going to mix them up regardless of how they're positioned.
Why do you think I am endlessly patient with Audio Note discussions - eventually they will hear them properly set-up and IMO they;re too good not to love. Theaudiohobby poster here was on my case for over a year blasting AN just like you and morricab but then poof he heard an outstanding demo (by a dealer who also didn't like Audio Note) and bam - it fired on all cylinders and for him one of the best auditions of any stereo ever. So I am quite patient because this sort of thing over the years has happened a LOT. I get plenty of pms on forums saying the same sort of things.
You'll get some room node issues and boom or a bit of reflection etc but one should be able to recognize that and not blame the speaker for it. When covering shows - it's usually a good idea to try and rule out the bass.
The AN E in a corner with a solid wall behind and beside them is pretty much all they need - toe in for staging but beyond that if that is what they're given it should be good - they sound better with their 2a3 and 211 SETs and parallel single ended amps IMO - not so much with 300Bs
Being one of the best a midbass I've come across and tone monsters they're generally fine free standing and still have solid bass to 30hz - 29hz tuning port. But going from merely good speakers to great speakers requires some work.
I didn't find the KEF all that hard to set-up - follow the directions in the manual and plunk them down and they sounded quite good from the get go. It's not like toe in or pulling them 1 foot closer transforms the speakers from being total crap to the best things in the world - pretty subtle.
People move their speakers closer to them and forget to adjust the volume control - gee it sounds better - yes because when you pulled them closer they got louder!
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Here is the room that changed TAH's mind.
But consider how crappy it would probably sound if those DIY corners were not in place. Here is a corner loaded speaker design that in a normal show they would place them in the corner. umm see the big air conditioner - ringing box. Behind the drapes a glass window - and probably not typhoon grade. So on the one wall you have paper thing hotel walls (ring like dinner bells), a glass wall behind them, air conditioning boom box.
So the AN E's and corner speakers do need some work to be at their best.
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