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In Reply to: RE: Marten Speakers posted by A.Wayne on January 15, 2017 at 14:45:17
I don't like wasting time and money for speaker makers though. If I bring in something I am not sure I will like - then I am not being fair to the company. It's why I bought the KEF LS-50 rather than ask for a review - I didn't like them much but I heard some things in them that I liked and felt would be a good match with my amp. It worked out.
At the moment I also have a space issue - living in HK means a smaller room and position is better if it can be a corner or near side walls.
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the only way you can really understand and know a speaker is by living with that speaker in your system for a couple of weeks.I have LS50, SCM7v3 and P3ESR in rotation in my system. ive had the P3 for 6 months, the ATC for 4 months and just recently bought the LS50. so far, i prefer the ATC and Harbeth, but I know better to not trust my first impressions and know that I need to get used to the LS50 for a couple of months before making sure which is my preferred speaker.
theres no way I could be confident in making a final decision between the 3 speakers at a dealer or show.
Listening to show or dealer tells you nothing worthy for obvious reasons when it comes to very good speakers. of course, at a dealer, if you listen to 5 speakers and one is obviously bad, this can give you a idea. but when comparing 2 excellent speakers, its really by living with the 2 speakers and spending weeks with those 2 that you will begin to notice which Speaker draws you more into your music, ect.
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I disagree - a loudspeaker isn't just designed for your room and your room isn't automatically better than a dealer room just because it's a dealer room. I have had plenty of speakers in plenty of rooms and the speakers themselves have not been hugely impacted - Magnepans have sounded more or less the same in every room that I've tried - you don't mistake a Magnepan for a B&W for example. Rooms shift some frequency response - but so long as it's a "fair" room with "appropriate" equipment then you are hearing the speaker.
It also doesn't take 6 months to figure out if something is good or not - it takes me one or two tracks to figure out if the speaker has it or not. From that point - out of the speakers that have it - then it takes awhile to determine which is going to be something more long lasting.
People move - the speaker that works in a 14 X 10 room in South Central made of wood will work in a 13 X 9 in a wooden north Central home and a 15 X 11 wooden home in the East or a 14 X 10 wooden dealer room too. The speaker designed for that space and construction will work in that space anywhere. It may not sound good in a 7 X 8 room or a 25 X 17 room however.
But at Soundhounds I auditioned the AN E/Spe for an hour using a wide array of music - then in the same constructed building I auditioned the Magnepan 20.1 with the exact same music in a larger room more appropriate for the Maggies - the Maggies indeed, were better set-up than the AN E - had much more space to breathe and had 1000 watt highly regarded SS amps connected to them. I put on first a well recorded Jackson Browne Acoustic Vol 2 CD which has excellent piano rendition and this is basically music that panels are SUPPOSED to be good at re-producing.
This is not a disc that is going to create a bunch of room related issues nor do I play this stuff particularly loud - also should not recreate room issues. From the first few bars I knew it wasn't going to cut it. I listened and then looked over at the salesman with a kind of WTF look. And guess what - he just looked back at me and said "we know." (as in We know they sound mediocre).
You can blame rooms all you like and claim you need 6 months with them but the fact is you really don't. So long as you do what the manufacturer recommends and run the speakers with what the manufacturer tells you to run them with - in AN's case you bring them home and you run them with a SET amplifier - not SS not class D or Class T and you put them in an appropriate room size and construction (solid walls) not up against wood frames and doors - you will get "their sound" and according to Magnepan's recommendations - they were set up properly with the proper amplification to put the sound in their best light.
Sure at a given show something might sound bad. But I have tried Magnepan probably 25 times. And even then I'd still try another one at home - I had lower end Maggies in my home for a weekend back in the day. But did nothing for me - although I didn't own a tube amp back then.
So when you plunk the Kef's or the AN speaker into your room , you never adjust or tweak after the first couple of Hrs. So you basically drop them and are done ..
Good speakers then ...
And I may also adjust the seating arrangement - but do you not think that GOOD dealers don't spend a lot of time adjusting where the speaker should be cited in their rooms. Or the manufacturers when they set up rooms at a show - and it is often the manufacturer - it is Richard Vandersteen himself or Mr. Sanders (Sander Sound) or Mr. Wilson himself in these rooms setting up their speakers. Surely the man who designs the speaker can set them up better than you? No? I mean if he doesn't know how to set them up he's incompetent and you would not want to give money to an incompetent?I have had my AN E and KEF LS-50 set up both on the long walls and short walls - I have toed them in out and even tilted the Kef's up and down. Close to corners away from corners - but it always sounds like a KEF LS-50 and an AN E- you aren't going to mix them up regardless of how they're positioned.
Why do you think I am endlessly patient with Audio Note discussions - eventually they will hear them properly set-up and IMO they;re too good not to love. Theaudiohobby poster here was on my case for over a year blasting AN just like you and morricab but then poof he heard an outstanding demo (by a dealer who also didn't like Audio Note) and bam - it fired on all cylinders and for him one of the best auditions of any stereo ever. So I am quite patient because this sort of thing over the years has happened a LOT. I get plenty of pms on forums saying the same sort of things.
You'll get some room node issues and boom or a bit of reflection etc but one should be able to recognize that and not blame the speaker for it. When covering shows - it's usually a good idea to try and rule out the bass.
The AN E in a corner with a solid wall behind and beside them is pretty much all they need - toe in for staging but beyond that if that is what they're given it should be good - they sound better with their 2a3 and 211 SETs and parallel single ended amps IMO - not so much with 300Bs
Being one of the best a midbass I've come across and tone monsters they're generally fine free standing and still have solid bass to 30hz - 29hz tuning port. But going from merely good speakers to great speakers requires some work.
I didn't find the KEF all that hard to set-up - follow the directions in the manual and plunk them down and they sounded quite good from the get go. It's not like toe in or pulling them 1 foot closer transforms the speakers from being total crap to the best things in the world - pretty subtle.
People move their speakers closer to them and forget to adjust the volume control - gee it sounds better - yes because when you pulled them closer they got louder!
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Here is the room that changed TAH's mind.
But consider how crappy it would probably sound if those DIY corners were not in place. Here is a corner loaded speaker design that in a normal show they would place them in the corner. umm see the big air conditioner - ringing box. Behind the drapes a glass window - and probably not typhoon grade. So on the one wall you have paper thing hotel walls (ring like dinner bells), a glass wall behind them, air conditioning boom box.
So the AN E's and corner speakers do need some work to be at their best.
k, so your only talking about maggies? its fine if you dont like maggies and many cannot live with their sound no matter how long you try to live with it!you also mentioned Martin Logan which has dynamic driver for bass and they are totally diferent animals then maggies.
what is the last Martin Logan model you have tried in your system?
you actually said:"There is the positive review and there is the thing the reviewer is truly passionate about. It is very possible for me to review something that I very much like because in fact I do. Take ATC - I like the sound - there is a cut through it like a knife exacting nature to them. Full marks. Great - but would it be desert island sound? No. Nothing against ATC - great build big drive and power (especially the actives)."
have you had the ATC SCM50ASL or ATC SCM100ASL in your system for a couple of weeks before assesing to everyone in every audio forum that you couldnt live with those ATC.
when you compare 2 dynamic speakers that are excellent, it takes more then a audition at a dealer or show to really get if you can live with the speaker or not. many times my first impression on audition is far from definitive.
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Yeah bass is an issue at shows - but most current standmount speakers are designed for near field response and are designed to look pretty on anechoic measurements. Their very design advertisements are that if you sit them away from room boundaries they should sound great in most any average room. So at a show or a dealer you should be able to get a really good idea how they are likely to sound in your room.
Recent Martin Logans have sounded quite good under show conditions - they too are designed to be away from room boundaries. If the manufacturer sends their engineers and/or reps - people they HIRE to set-up the equipment then chances are they are going to know MORE how to set up the product than the average consumer. So if it doesn't sound particularly good on several occasions in several rooms with several amplifiers then why would you bring the speakers home?
Isn't it their job to demonstrate quality sound FIRST before you buy them. That goes for any consumer product - demonstrate the goodness of the product and then I'll consider it.
Sure anyone can have a bad demonstration - which is why I listen three times in three rooms with the three systems before I form an opinion. Heck at Soundhounds alone I have heard Magnepan in three rooms with three different systems.
Lastly, Bass issues are largely caused by crappy wooden walls. The more bass a speaker is capable of putting out the more the room sings along and mar the sound. This is why you always read where someone thinks the KEF LS-50 sounds better than the Blade or the P3ESR sounds better than Super HL5 or M40. And to the extent that the room sucks then yes the speaker only capable of 80hz will sound better than the speaker capable of 20hz.
I get vastly better results with my AN speakers here in Hong Kong than I ever did in my place in Canada (wood frame building with plaster walls separating bedrooms) = typical north American home resulting in adverse bass issues.
In Hong Kong the walls, floors, ceilings are solid concrete. But you can do something with that - it's solid - the wall doesn't vibrate and sing with the music. The bass is vastly tighter. So the big bass speakers don't sound low and lumpy. Then you know why the Super HL5+ walks all over a P3 and a Blade walks all over an LS-50. Although the blade still needs a lot of space on the sides and in HK that becomes an issue.
I see you dont answer my questions, have you ever had SCM50 or SCM100 with the new ATC tweeter in your room? have you had the new Martin Logan speakers in your room?you say:
"So if it doesn't sound particularly good on several occasions in several rooms with several amplifiers then why would you bring the speakers home?"were talking about good speakers here, so I fail to see your point. with good dynamic speakers, you need to compare directly A-B test using the same capable amp able to drive both speakers, same speaker position and same source for a couple of days at the very least to form a worthy opinion.
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I didn't find the KEF all that hard to set-up - follow the directions in the manual and plunk them down and they sounded quite good from the get go. It's not like toe in or pulling them 1 foot closer transforms the speakers from being total crap to the best things in the world - pretty subtle.
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this is not my experience. just measure your speaker at the listening position. sometime moving the speaker literally a foot make the response go from decent to horrible.
For OP, this user tried many under 20k speakers: AN-E, ATC SCM100, Geithain RL901k, BW 802 d3, Wilson Sasha. he ended up with ATC
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/wilson-sasha-magico-s-series-b-w-800-series.526482/page-6
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Yes the Steve Hoffman forum run by Steve Hoffman on eof the most world renown recording engineers who has used pro studio speakers including ATC - he has AN E speakers.
Citing one guy who brings home a few speakers and likes one over the other doesn't mean you have some extra special credibility.
And actually you have, as usual, failed to understand the concept of synergy. Running a cheap crummy 50 watt class D amplifier into a few different speakers and then saying "I have used the same source and amp" doesn't remotely mean you have kept apples to apples.
In any comparison of two speakers it is NOT necessarily ideal to compare them both using the same amplifier. A Bryston amp into a PMC may be totally ideal for PMC speakers so that you can hear how good the PMC speakers sound - but that Bryston amp may sound godawful with AN E's or Tannoys or whatever. Sure if you are trying to rig your test to make the PMC sound better then by all means.
AN E's are designed FOR Single Ended tube amplifiers - and using anything else is not a "fair test" of what they're about - maybe when someone runs their class D trash on them the AN E simply shows up the terribleness of the amplifiers while another speaker with less resolution doesn't show up weaknesses.
The other problem is that not all speakers are REMOTELY designed to be positioned in the same space - you say This:
"Compare directly A-B test using the same capable amp able to drive both speakers, same speaker position and same source."
Well no - again this is completely and utterly wrong. The positional requirements of an AN E and a Magnepan may and probably are quite different than a B&W or PMC - not to mention room size requirements.
When comparing and AN E to a B&W - one may sit both speakers in the typical anechoic favoured speaker position - 3 feet from all walls 6 feet apart and chair 6 feet back. That's fine FOR the B&W. It is NOT fine for the AN E - or corner designed Klipsches. If your goal is to make big advetisers look good on the graph - you gear the test for B&W to intentionally make the others look bad.
How about this - if every speaker I measure I stuff hard into the corner. I could sure make the E look great then! I could put the B&W 1cm away from the side and back wall and any panel. I can sure make those sound like crap really fast - and I'll run a 5 watt SET amp on them. Eeesh - I can make a B&W sound worse than a Bose in seconds.
When you compare you compare properly - that means you take where and what the speaker is designed for. If the speaker demands a "solid wall" corner and it demands a SET and a certain kind of source design then you evaluate it under it's BEST possible conditions. Whether that is in my home or a dealer room that could in fact be much better for the speaker.
In Hong Kong the ATC 100 is too large for my room - at least it's too large to give it a fair audition. It will be much better sounding at the heavily treated showroom I heard it in in HK. It was good enough sounding that I was able to formulate opinions on my amplifier in order to buy it. You are very likely NOT improving on the sound of that speaker's capability. It has been auditioned in a fair environment with excellent electronics.
I am not bringing home a speaker that the maker would prefer I run a 500 watt SS amps or won't work in the space. It's not fair to the manufacturer for me to be wasting their time.
this is absolutely OT, id like to have the measurements of your AN E stuffed into the corner. no acoustician in the world would be crazy enough to recommend putting a speaker in the corner. SBIR and room modes and comb filtering are at their worst in the corners. if you want a flat accurate sounding speaker, better measure your room. since you believe in the advantage of corner room gain, please show a measurements at the listening position that support this.so put your mouth where your words is, show us your AN E in the corner: measurements at the listening position.my point remains, when comparing two different very good dynamic speakers, I need more then a audition to determine which speaker I prefer. more power to you if you think you can know a speaker within a few hours in a unknow environment. no need for ad hominem attacks.
any room will have terrible room modes. bad bass in room is caused when you place your speaker and listening position in a room modes not, as you say, due to how solid the walls are (even though that can help). no matter how solid the walls are, one still absolutely needs to understand how bad room coloration are and treat, and place speaker accordingly. often, the same good measuring speaker placement for one speaker will be the same for another.
so yes, placing all the speakers at the same spot before making comparison is obviously the only way to compare two speakers. but you dont seem to understand room coloration. Harman does and why they desing there room test accordingly
https://www.google.ca/search?q=harman+room+test&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigif7Wzc7RAhVMzIMKHcU7DGgQ_AUICSgC&biw=1093&bih=510#imgrc=ElI1uNv9eXGEZM%3A
http://www.bmwblog.com/2013/12/05/harman-kardon-factory-tour-pure-art-sound/seriously, you even refute the need to test speakers in the same room, at the exact same spot, same amp, source. go tell that to Harman and JBL who designed their testing room and super advanced blind test room. while your at it, go read about blind testing and the effect of sighted testing.
http://seanolive.blogspot.ca/2009/04/dishonesty-of-sighted-audio-product.html
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And actually you have, as usual, failed to understand the concept of synergy. Running a cheap crummy 50 watt class D amplifier into a few different speakers and then saying "I have used the same source and amp" doesn't remotely mean you have kept apples to apples.
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why do you even talk about that or bring this, ive never had a class d 50 wpc, all the class d I have are low powered ta2020 or ta2021. no, I never tried SET with my AN J LX so I fail to understand synergy? right.
you and your ad homniem attacks. at least try to attack me with facts.
I have a 6b4g dht tube amp, a class a sony ta707es, a lm3875 gainclone and a class d. thats not enough for you?you says:
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It's not fair to the manufacturer
for me to be wasting their time.
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oh, but its fair that you comment about a speaker in every forum, ATC for example, that you never tried in your room and spent days playing music threw them.
right, your a fair guy.
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"lol, stevehoffman is not even close to one of the most reknown engineer in the world. on what planet do you live?"
Hmm Steve Hoffman
STEVE HOFFMAN - Award-winning Recording, Mastering and Restoration Engineer - Has compiled, mastered and released over 1,000 record albums and compact discs to critical acclaim.
"He has remastered over 500 Audiophile quality Compact Discs and LP's working with such artists as: The Eagles, The Doors, Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, The Beach Boys, Nat 'King' Cole, Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley, Ray Charles, Roy Orbison, Cream, The Cars, Blondie, Jim Croce, Linda Ronstadt, Jethro Tull, The Doobie Brothers, Jackson Browne, Steve Miller Band, Elton John, Van Halen, Bonnie Raitt, Al Green, Joni Mitchell, Paul Simon, Stan Getz, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Art Pepper, Rod Stewart, Judy Garland, Ella Fitzgerald, Peggy Lee, Wes Montgomery and many, many, others." http://www.stevehoffman.tv/consulting/
You quote people on a little known forum website who claim to be recording engineers and yet have made recordings of no notable musician or band? But it's Hoffman that's the unknown? Try to make it a bit harder.
Your demanded lists of proof is kind of weird as well. If you read books on engineering - you will very much find out WHY corner positioning has superior effects for the propagation of sound - But all the blather and textbook references don't matter if the listening results are to the contrary.
Asking for the AN E measurements - they have been measured by several publications through the years (Stereophile, Audiophile, Hi-Fi Choice (where it won the blind level matched listening challenges - all three times) and hi-fi Critic (where one of their reviewers also owns them).
One can blather all day long about measurements - but the proof is in the listening.
Plenty of great measuring speakers for less money measured at Stereophile and none of the reviewers bought them (not wanting to listen to them for any long period of time) but the AN E in spite of measurements had 3 writers for the magazine buy them. Not too bad.
There is more to the game than frequency response. Shifting your head 1 inch shifts the frequency response you hear! So unless your head is placed in a vice - frequency response is not the most important thing to be considering in your test taking.
Harman is in the business of selling speakers and using their facilities to help sell their product - not to advance science.
5:37 seconds (Reviewer: Stereophile and TAS now AV Showrooms). Gee he didn't buy Amphion or ATC or Harbeth. And he's heard them all.
Speaker's been selling for 40 years - gee maybe there is something to them?
I'm not saying there aren't other excellent speakers because there are but it is an excellent speaker too - whether you happen to like them or not.
and ever since we concluded together that my AN J lx that had serious cabinet damage and therefore make my impression of the AN J lx not conclusive, I have totally stopped to diss Audio Note. Ill try to audition another well functioning pair.can you tell me where in this thread I have said anything negative about AN?
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Your demanded lists of proof is kind of weird as well. If you read books on engineering - you will very much find out WHY corner positioning has superior effects for the propagation of sound - But all the blather and textbook references don't matter if the listening results are to the contrary.
"can you point which acoustic book promote positioning the speaker in the corner? its absolutely not true. every placement guide, every acoustic books will explain in details why to not place speakers in the corner.
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I'm not saying there aren't other excellent speakers because there are but it is an excellent speaker too - whether you happen to like them or not.
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yes, all you have to say is that. not try to convince people with your "im a reviewer so I know better" attitude.you say:
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STEVE HOFFMAN - Award-winning Recording, Mastering and Restoration Engineer - Has compiled, mastered and released over 1,000 record albums and compact discs to critical acclaim.
"I wouldnt trust his ears, he praised the 15k escalante speakers which are the worst measuring speaker of all time at stereophile:
http://www.stereophile.com/content/escalante-design-fremont-loudspeaker-measurements#TILsoxVQvoMBYOyx.97
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/new-escalante-design-fremont-a-studio-monitor-and-audiophile-speaker-in-one.118794/Steve hoffman speciality is re mastering engineer. its non sense to claim he is one of the best recording engineer in the world! I dont even think he recorded more then 30 albums in his life. his speciality is RE mastering of old jazz tapes using the original master tapes that was NOT recoded by himself, he does not mix or record but remaster (which demand very precise speakers). thats why I laugh. hes one of the good guys when it comes to his speciality though.
you manipulate information to try to augment the prestige of Audio note. ATC or Harman/Revel/JBL are infinitely more used in the biggest studio in the world.
About the third of the most reknown studio in the world use ATC:
http://atcloudspeakers.co.uk/client-list-pro/now how many recoding engineers and studio use Audio note?
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Harman is in the business of selling speakers and using their facilities to help sell their product - not to advance science.
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well that is your opinion. and with how little you seem to know about anything acoustic, I wont trust yours.
Bob katz which is infinitely more reknown engineer uses..... Harman group Revel GEM 2 speakers.
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/bob-katz-mn0000054492/creditsmuch more important engineer could be Bruce Swedien which use westlake, David Reitzas on amphion two 18. maybe Reitzas is not famous enough for you:
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/dave-reitzas-mn0000222832/creditsyou say:
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You quote people on a little known forum website who claim to be recording engineers and yet have made recordings of no notable musician or band? But it's Hoffman that's the unknown? Try to make it a bit harder.
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again and again, you throw false information. which little known guy did I refered to? do I really have to defend ATC now?
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There is too much here to rehash for the 5th time on the third forum. Where did I attack ATC?
Some speaker makers target the pro studio and some speaker makers target the home user. So the argument of what is used in Recording studios doesn't persuade me when people for the last 30 years have WHINED on audio forums about how BAD recordings sound. So it's not a plus when someone says to me Bryston or ATC or PMC is used in recording studios - so what?
Here's the problem - you said Steve Hoffman is a nobody - I simply corrected you on that. Then you go all over the map. What point are you actually trying to make. You want to say Speaker X is better and then point to Harman that use Revel (not ATC or Amphion or Harbeth). The thing is you can find 10 famous recording (and or mastering) engineers and you will fine 10 DIFFERENT loudspeaker makers. If there was a single best one then ALL Of them all over the world would only use Amphion right? If they're the ONLY good and BEST speakers then EVERYONE would own one.
Recording studios have to use SOMETHING don't they? And what they are going to choose is what is available and what is being marketed to them (not to mention what they can afford). Bob Hodus worked for Abbey Road and Abbey Road uses B&W and Bob doesn't like B&W at all. He now works with the Tape project and uses and loves Focal (far more than B&W).
I asked him what he thought of Audio Note speakers and he said he has never heard of them. AN is NOT designed for near field listening (the vast majority of all pro speakers are designed for near-field listening). It's a completely different market. Sure Gearbox Records uses Audio Note (far field mastering listening) which is nice, but studios are not their target market. Mastering is analogous to editing - it is at this stage where you judge the actual sound quality. So I would not be downplaying the role of mastering - consider that so many lousy recordings have been FIXED via a remastered edition. Mastering is about FIXING the recording as editors are about FIXING first drafts and making a saleable copy. The recent movie about Thomas Wolfe is a good example of editing/mastering.
And you are perfectly within your rights to NOT like Audio Note speakers. Morricab and I agree with on most things audio - but he has not liked the sound of them - that's fine - I have heard many speakers he likes better and I don't think they're nearly as good. And because he knows that we agree on most things audio (like 95%+) he is probably frustrated that I love a speaker that he keeps scratching his head over.
But in an audio world where two people can agree on most stuff - that is pretty awesome.
And that applied here with you - you are trying to suggest that I don't like ATC which is false - I really like them - and Harbeth but I prefer the AN E. That said - I get what people like about the ATC in particular - it has a certain slam ability that eludes the AN's. I get why people would gravitate to the more pinpoint sounding ATCs. That's fine - I like that presentation too. But the fact remains when I listen to my inner circle discs - the ones I like the best - it goes to an emotional response (heart over head) and the AN E moves me emotionally - the ATC speakers just don't. A graph isn't going to help anyone on this. It either does it for you or it don't. And since I'm the one putting my money out on it - I want the one that does it for me.
And it's been selling for 40 years and has done it for a lot of people over that time too. Factor in that I owned the AN J/Spe since 2004 and sold them for nearly 20% more than I originally paid - I factor in the value for dollar (as in free). I factor in that the speaker only needs 7 watts has bass to below 30hz and can also handle 150 watts. So I get way more amplifier choices than can successfully drive a Harbeth or ATC and in general the AN's cost significantly less money and to me sound at least as good if not better.
And guess what - plenty of other posters would much prefer to burn up all these boxed speakers in a big ole bonfire and buy some Electrostats. And I understand why those people like those speakers better - they have their strengths that boxes generally don't capture - it's about the compromises you can live with.
One book: N. W. McLaughlin's Loudspeakers, McGraw-Hill 1934
Look in the reference section of most any book on loudspeakers - you should see the name Leo Beranek in almost if not all of them. Then read his books on corner placement. He's the one who came up with the Type E cabinet design - Peter Snell invented the wavelaunch and AN simply uses much better parts and changed the port design to operate in a corner. If you want other reading materials you need to ask the likes of Andy Whittle at Audio Note or Peter Qvortrup via e-mail.
Since I am not in the business of designing loudspeaker or care to these are not the reading materials I buy. When I buy a toaster - I don't read fifty books on toaster design nor when I buy a car.
I buy a stereo to listen to music - not to spend all day and all night every night every week every month and every year pissing around with the gear. I have this crazy notion that one should be able to sit back and listen to music on it without constantly under stress that something is not quite right so I have to bring home 6 other cables amplifiers and footers.
Once you are in that mode of constant "it's not right" well you are exactly doing what Peter Qvortrup and Leonard Norwitz wrote about many years ago - you are on the road to audio hell. I have had AN speakers and been happy with them since 2003. Been in the same retread spirals - but the measurements say this, free standing is better, speakers should be curved, blah blah blah. Then go buy those and be happy. It's a free country - until Jan 20th. Then I'm not so sure.
Free people never buy little box speakers, little box speakers in corners are for those in chains, that kind of mental slavery is no longer here..LMAO Your Insanity does run deep , every discussion or question ends with AN and or one of your silly libtard jabs..
Sheeeesh ...
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You can't please all the people all of the time. Calling me a libtard is fine by me. I do wish people would call names to people's faces not behind screens though. It does seem a little weak to me. Granted people get frustrated from time to time including me, but I've not met too many people who are not liberal on some issues or conservative on some issues.
I like PBS for example so I wish this wasn't going to get the axe. I am against the TOP so good for Trump to get rid of that. Trump wants the death penalty for pedophiles...good no problem with me. The world isn't all black or white. Liberals tend to over think things and conservatives tend to act first before they thought it through...like attacking the wrong country after 9/11. Shoot...oops. made the entire region worse.
There should be a mandatory min IQ level of 120 to enter any office and one should score high on the EQ scale as well.
I recommend what I would buy. I just bought the $23kUS AN-E/SPx Alnico HE Hemp version. Other people can buy whatever they like and if they want to recommend them every single post that is A-OK with me. I hope others emphatically live the sound of their systems as I do mine. More happiness the less miserable people will be perhaps.
Sorry for slow reply on vacation again. Happy year of the rooster. Relax and listen to some tunes.
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